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auto calibers in a revolver

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Bezoar, May 16, 2007.

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  1. Bezoar

    Bezoar member

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    What is the benefit of using a cartridge designed for a semi automatic pistol, in a revolver?

    Sure having two guns using the same ammo can be nice, but if you have to remove/decase/relaod/reinsert a moon clip every time you want to top off the cylinder, what have you gained tactically?

    over just having a 38sp with speedloader and a few loose cartridges in a pouch?
     
  2. MutinousDoug

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    And the difference between a speedloader and a moon clip would be what? You haven't "gained" anything. Have you lost anything?
    Personally, I'd like to see a revolver with a frame designed for a 9mm or 38 Super from the ground up, but I'm not holding my breath.
     
  3. PH/CIB

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    I only have speedloaders, but I believe I have heard that moon clips are faster to eject and reload than speedloaders. Don't know if it is true or not, and it would only amount to probably fractions of a second, I would quess.
     
  4. Geister

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    Moonclips are faster but they are flimsier.

    I'd buy a revolver in .45 ACP if I could find one as easily as a .357 Magnum.
     
  5. bluetopper

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    I am most anxious and should get it in this week a Taurus 455 45acp revolver w/6.5" barrel I bought on an online auction. I want it strictly as a target gun and not a CCW however. I'll see how accuracy compares to my Dan Wesson Pointman 1911.

    Also have on layaway a Taurus 905 9mm revolver. A simple wheel gun my wife can use when I'm out of town for protection. Plus I'm well stocked in 9mm ammo and don't have to buy higher priced wheel gun ammo.
     
  6. S&Wfan

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    Hi,

    My favorite defensive-caliber wheelguns are all moonclipped ones. Moonclips are ridiculously cheap and a bunch of 'em can be had . . . and loaded ahead of time for a quite impressive amount of fast-loading ammo.

    Yes, the moon-clipped revolvers are much faster to reload, so fast that some handgun competitions have moved to eliminate the moonclipped revolvers from shooting against the slower-to-load speedloader revolvers!

    My favorite is a chopped barrel Model 25-2 S&W in .45ACP. Here's another cool moonclipped revolver that I own, in .40 Short & Wimpy. Only a few hundred of these revolvers were made, before the competition rule changes.

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  7. Deer Hunter

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    My most fun gun I own. S&W 625 with a 5" barrel, topped with a Millet red dot. Loading it is really, really, REALLY easy with moonclips. I go through a lot of ammo because of this.

    Shoots softly and hits what you set it on, every time. It's very, very accurate.
     
  8. mavracer

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    I own both a S&W 442 and a Taurus 905 love both. I have noticed one minor advantage of the 9mm. on a snub with the short ejector rod it will compleatly eject 9mm but not 38 spcl.
     
  9. Dirty Bob

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    In a single action revolver, an autopistol cartridge is no big deal, since the ejector rod doesn't use a rim to eject the empties. Lots of people have reported great results with .45ACP Blackhawks, and ammo is convenient to carry in a 1911 magazine. An additional advantage of revolvers is that you can use bullet designs that won't feed in an autopistol. Plus, they're fun! :D

    Regards,
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  10. shoff535

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    As others have said, moonclips are readily available, and cheap. I preload ten or so before I head to the range. I like the 625 SW because it shoots sooo nice.
     

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    I have a Stainless Taurus 905 that I am very fond of. Perfect compliment to my Glock 19. It is what I carry when I am "not carrying". I just drop it in my jeans pocket in an Uncle Mike's pocket holster, and it just sort of disappears. I rarely carry extra anything with it. At the range, I usually fire it a few times, but after 25 or 30 rounds my hand starts to hurt. I find the recoil pretty snappy. I went on Taurus' website, ordered 10 spare moon clips, and figure I am good to go for the forseeable future. For me with the Glock, the Taurus, and a Hi Power, having everything in the same calibre is pretty handy.
     
  12. highrider

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    New guy here. Just discovered THR and have been enjoying lurking and just cruising through the threads. Great forum. I picked up the new toy below over the weekend and I can't wait to get it to the range. It should be a hoot to shoot. To me "tactical" doesn't come into play - I have my Sigs for that. This one is strictly for the range, not for carry. I have to confess that I bought this gun simply because she looked so sweet! ;) I've always been a semi-auto kind of guy, but when I saw this beauty it was love at first sight.

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  13. P. Plainsman

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    Also, factory 9mm is running up to 50% cheaper than .38 Special (let alone .357 Magnum) these days; and .45 ACP is still cheaper than factory .44 Magnum, .44 Special, or (non-cowboy-squib-load) .45 Colt. And there's lots of different high-tech defensive bullet options in 9mm and .45 ACP (though, admittedly, also in .38/.357).

    Thus, if you want a big-bore revolver for defense and/or range fun, then a .45 ACP sixgun with moonclips has much to offer.

    I want a 5" S&W 625 with a red-dot sight like Deer Hunter! Man, that looks like a hoot.
     
  14. AJAX22

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    .32 auto is rumored to work well in nagant revolvers too, if you're looking for an inexpensive plinker.
     
  15. yhtomit

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    highrider -- beautiful gun, beautiful shots of it!

    What model is that exactly? (Does it have a numeric designation, like the 625?) I have a 625 in stainless, and love it -- but that one is a peach.

    If you don't mind, could you intensify my envy by saying where and for how much you acquired that treasure? :)

    timothy
     
  16. yhtomit

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    Bezoar:

    A couple of advantages, IMO, which is why I like revolvers in auto cartridges.

    1) I like to have several guns, but just a few calibers. Simpler to stock (esp. for people like me, whose stock is generally NOT a basement full of ammo) in that it's more convenient to have 1000 rounds of 9mm (for instance) which will be used in a few autoloaders and a revolver than to have 3 kinds of ammunition in smaller quantities to feed each of them.

    If you have a personal bunker, and enough ammo to do complex arbitrage with small South American countries, this argument holds less weight :) It would be *nice* in a sense to have plenty of time, money and space to have a dozen or more ammo types well stocked, but I don't at the moment.

    2) I like the .45ACP cartridge -- I won't start a religious war over the best ammo type in the world, because it's not that I *dislike* any particular other caliber, there's plenty of love to go around ;) -- and it's a pleasant intermediate cartridge; more oomph than 9mm or 38sp, noticeably less than a normal or hot .357 load. So, at least in my 625, I think that's a good reason :)

    Btw, you mention the hassle of moonclips. I have some good news to report on that front; my moonclips were a frustrating disaster for the first few times I used them, but they've become just a shade looser (and I've become a shade better at understanding the angles and pressures to actually get cartridges in and cases out) -- the last time I loaded and unloaded it was nearly pleasant ;) Once they're loaded up, moonclips are really great -- I wish I could reload an autopistol so quickly! I resorted to profanity, violence, and leather gloves the first few times I loaded / unloaded them -- was convinced either my moonclips or my ammo were defective (or at least cursed). Now, I'd say it's about as difficult (that is, the same amount of hand-muscle force) as loading a typical autopistol magazine, but it doesn't get harder with each round, but rather easier.

    (There's a gun design I saw the other day, in a book I did not purchase, which reminds me of this a bit; it's an autopistol where one grip panel comes off to reveal the mag area; the cartridges are laid in there, then the spring beneath is tensioned (I think in the process of re-attaching the grip panel), so there's no tedious thumbing-down-pressing-in reloading process.)

    Cheers,

    timothy
     
  17. Geister

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    I'd be a bigger fan of the .45 ACP if it could easily go another 100 to 200 fps.

    Speaking of which, is it possible to load a .45 ACP +P in a .45 ACP revolver and have less worries than using the round in a .45 autoloader?
     
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    Perhaps, in a convertible Blackhawk, which is suitable for very powerful .45Colt handloads, but I don't think I'd try it in a Smith 25 or 1917.

    Regards,
    Dirty Bob
     
  20. highrider

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    "highrider -- beautiful gun, beautiful shots of it!

    What model is that exactly? (Does it have a numeric designation, like the 625?) I have a 625 in stainless, and love it -- but that one is a peach."

    Timothy,
    Bob M. is correct. Additional info sent via PM.
     
  21. yhtomit

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    Thanks for the S&W 22 id!

    I'm hooked -- That one goes on the ever-longer, occasionally tapped-at wishlist ;)

    Current production, even -- very nice.

    timothy
     
  22. 20nickels

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    Although you can moonclip about any common revolver cartridge anymore, the short, fat calibers (9mm, .45ACP) reload very quickly. Something about larger torpedos going into larger holes. You can also use these guns without clips if you want, but it is nice to go to the range that you are charged by the hour at with a box of 300 rds that you loaded into clips in front of your TV. To get a relatively cheap, commonly available cartridge like .45ACP in an S&W N frame is a dream come true.
     
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    You can put all the +P you want through a current-production 625 and not worry about it. Remember that they convert these guns to .460 Rowland, which has about 75% of the capabilities of .44 Magnum (rough guesstimate).

    The current crop of S&W guns are quite well made in terms of durability. If you have an older gun, like a model 25, a Model of 1950, or (especially!) an M1917, avoid +P ammunition.
     
  24. Revolver Ocelot

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    the sp101 is available in 9mm but to my understanding they are produced in small numbers just to meet the small demend.
     
  25. 10-Ring

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    I've shot a few wheelguns in 9mm & 45 acp and must say they were very nice. There is just something about shooting a quality wheelgun that needs to be experienced to be understood ;)
     
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