Auto mag survey

[brigadier]

Hello guys. I haven't been on forums much but I HAVE been around. I have just been very busy with other things. I have a quick survey for you. I would rather keep my reasons for this private, not because of any sinister plot but I just don't want to stir up a bunch of stuff right now. I will eventually let you guys know what's up and I am sure you will be more then happy with what's going on.
Anyway, here it is:

1. Would you consider owning a .50AE semi-auto handgun if it:
Cost $1,000 or less
Weighed less then the Desert Eagle
Had a handle size comparable to that on the Para Ordnance P-14
Had a tac rail
Had less kick then the Desert Eagle and was easy to hit accurately with
Was as reliable as any common auto pistol
Accepted a 10 round staggered magazine.
Had an average life span
Looked pretty by common standards.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you be influenced in buying a .50AE handgun if someone made a good performing and affordable .50AE load at a price of $30 or less per box of 50 rounds?

3. Would you buy a .50AE Desert Eagle if you had the money?

4. Do you think Auto Magnums can fill a gap that revolvers do not fill?

5. If yes, what gap/s do Auto Magnums fill in your opinion?

6. In your opinion, why do you think Auto Magnums have had very shallow success in the past?

7. Assuming all of the criteria in question 1. were met in a single handgun, do you think the .50AE has potential as a combat round. Explain your reason for your opinion.

8. If you had a handgun that fit all of the criteria in question 1., what would you use it for?

9. Finely, what, if any things not mentioned above, would influence you to consider buying a .50AE semiautomatic handgun?

Thanks guys.

 

[Walkalong]

Would you consider owning a .50AE semi-auto handgun if it:

No.

 

[jeepmor]

doubtful, just what I need, more exotic semiauto brass I can't find at the range. I have enough trouble finding my 10mm now, why do I need more trouble finding even more expensive brass.

1. doubt it
2. not much
3. NO
4. Yes
5. 10mm, 357 potential, with more rounds.
6. You can never find your brass because it launches it, and the slide springs are too stiff for most weenies.
7. No, if your using that in combat, get a rifle.
8. Hold my safe down?
9. Nothing, prices are already too high, cartridges are damn near impossible to find at my retailers because those that do own them buy them out of stock within a day or so. I don't want to start reloading another "fringe" caliber like my 10mm. I love my 10mm, don't get me wrong, but the .50 is just overkill IMO, and the reason it has petered out to obscurity, again IMO. If you want that much power, you should be using a rifle, particularly if you are in a combat situation. Although, having a bore so big that you could drop a loaded 45ACP round through the barrel might be a neat novelty to show folks at the range.

 

[strat81]

1) No. The cost of the gun is relatively immaterial when talking about a niche caliber like .50AE or even .50 BMG. The cost to care for and feed it outweigh the cost of the gun.

2) 1. I reload, so factory ammo prices don't really concern me. Plus, .44 Mag is just as practical in an automag and it's a better developed round.

3) Yes and no. I'd love to have a Deagle for the "wow" factor, but there are plenty of other guns I'd rather have first. I'd probably own 2 dozen guns before I got a Deagle.

4) They do not fill any practical gaps. Just "wow" gaps.

5) n/a

6) Practicality, cost, reliability, ergonomics.

7) No. There are plenty of other cheaper rounds that are very effective on personnel and easier to control.

8) Wowing dinner guests and range rats.

9) If it was $400 and I could get ammo at Wal-mart for $15/100. (I.e., it would be near-impossible for me to own a .50AE right now.)

 

[CWL]

The DE has had a lot of engineering done on it by experienced designers and manufacturers. You keep inferring that it is not a reliable handgun, can you cite any documentated cases of the DE being an inherently faulty/unreliable, inaccurate pistol with a short lifespan?

Sounds like you want to manufacture your own auto-mag. I wouldn't be interested in a "magnum" gun made by someone who calls the grip a "handle", and in general I don't think there is a large market for DE pistols because there aren't that many handgun hunters out there, and what LE or military Agency ever expressed a need for "combat" pistols in .50 caliber? Too big to carry as a sidearm, too small for combat v. rifles and too expensive a bullet in general.

 

[Gator]

No. I can't imagine any practical use for one.

 

[trueblue1776]

1. I hate rails.

2. 1

3. No

4. Yes

5. Some guys feel more comfortable with an auto.

6. 9mm-.45 will kill a man, anything bigger than that is more of a hunting round, revolvers have more accuracy potential than autos.

7. Hell no. If I knew I only had to fight 7 guys and they would all stand still, then maybe.

8. Intimidating my ho's, huslin' fo a dolla.

9. If they could call it 10mm and put it in an Uzi.

 

[TimboKhan]

1. No.


2. 1

3. No

4. No

5. N/A

6. Rounds to expensive, hard to find, fairly pointless purpose outside of having fun.

7. No. The .50 GI, which I am more interested in, is better suited to being a combat round. Additionally, the 50AE requires a relatively large gun, which no one wants to carry around.

8. I just don't want one, so N/A

9. Very, very little would convince me to buy a .50AE. I can get better performance out of a revolver.

 

[brigadier]

The DE has had a lot of engineering done on it by experienced designers and manufacturers. You keep inferring that it is not a reliable handgun, can you cite any documentated cases of the DE being an inherently faulty/unreliable, inaccurate pistol with a short lifespan?

I am not going to go in to detail about what I'm up to, but to answer this, I have made no such claim though I HAVE indicated that the Desert Eagle is an unreliable gun. The lifespan issues refer to other auto mags like the Grizzly and Auto Mag 5 which are said to require frequent parts replacement.
Now, regarding reliability, ever wonder why the .50AE Desert Eagle is NOT on the California approval list? Here's why, and this is what MRI said. MRI submitted ALL of their guns to the California test, which includes a safety test and reliability test. The .44 Magnum MARK XIX is the only Desert Eagle model that passed. The .44 Magnum MARK XIX is only different from the .50AE by the barrel so that rules out safety. At the time, Bryco Arms was still in business and their Jennings 9 passed the same test. Again, the .50 cal Desert Eagle FAILED a reliability test that the JENNINGS 9 PASSED!
Go figure.
I use to shoot .50AE Desert Eagles all the time. I must have put close to a thousand rounds through .50AE Desert Eagles including every factory load and reload known to man, 5 or 6 different guns and watched other people put multitudes more ammo through them then I have. They jam like there's no tomorrow. Every one of them in everyones hands I have seen them put in. Every .50 Desert Eagle owner I know says the same thing, that it's nothing but a toy and has a reputation for being problematic for a reason. The .50AE Desert Eagle is a magnum powered junk gun both in tests and reputation.

 

[wally]

+1 Jeepmor, nailed it

Chasing brass from my 10mm and .44mag Desert Eagle is all the exotic handgun shooting fun I can stand.

My DE is very reliable as long is its kept clean. Not good for a long day at the range, but no worries about it emptying all the mags I have for it. But its .44Mag, not .50AE.

--wally.

 

[1 old 0311]

The .50AE is the solution to a problem that doesn't exist. No thanks.

 

[Chrome]

1. Would you consider owning a .50AE semi-auto handgun if it:
Cost $1,000 or less No, the cost of ammo is too high and it's hard to find around here.
Weighed less then the Desert Eagle While the DE is too heavy for carry, I feel that a lighter weight would be offset by the recoil.
Had a handle size comparable to that on the Para Ordnance P-14
Had a tac rail
Had less kick then the Desert Eagle and was easy to hit accurately with Short of a technological miracle, I don't see how this could happen, espeically if the weight was reduced.
Was as reliable as any common auto pistol Isn't the DE supposed to be pretty reliable
Accepted a 10 round staggered magazine. Thought we were going for a smaller handle size? A double stack .50 would be very thick.
Had an average life span Wouldn't concern me, ammo is hard to find and expensive, I won't be shooting 200+ rounds at a range session
Looked pretty by common standards.

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you be influenced in buying a .50AE handgun if someone made a good performing and affordable .50AE load at a price of $30 or less per box of 50 rounds? The price per box would need to be closer to $20 or $25 before I would leave the cost of ammo out of the purchase equation.

3. Would you buy a .50AE Desert Eagle if you had the money? While there are certainly other things I would buy first, I have a thing for "Movie Guns."

4. Do you think Auto Magnums can fill a gap that revolvers do not fill? Nope.

5. If yes, what gap/s do Auto Magnums fill in your opinion?

6. In your opinion, why do you think Auto Magnums have had very shallow success in the past? Large caliber handguns do not need to be rapid fire. I think ammo cost also has a bit to do with it. People see 6 rounds as cheaper than 10, even though they cost the same in the end.


7. Assuming all of the criteria in question 1. were met in a single handgun, do you think the .50AE has potential as a combat round. Explain your reason for your opinion. No, it is overpowered as for a handgun. Handguns in combat are often a last-ditch effort

8. If you had a handgun that fit all of the criteria in question 1., what would you use it for? See above

9. Finely, what, if any things not mentioned above, would influence you to consider buying a .50AE semiautomatic handgun? I would need availability of ammo coupled with a decreased cost to consider.

Later,
Chrome...

 

[SDDL-UP]

"Use enough gun."

But there is such a thing as too much gun also. A 7mm Remington Magnum will do a number on varmints at long range, but it's "too much gun!" Anything more powerfull than the 10mm Auto is IMO too much gun for a combat autoloader. The 45 ACP is too much for some people and the 10mm is a step above that. The 50 AE? That and the 440 Cor-Bon are two of the most vicious handguns I've ever seen fired.

Some people just have to have the biggest baddest this or that and as far as I can see that is the only real reason some of these rounds exist. Sure some people hunt with them, but a full power 44 Magnum can do a lot and a rifle can do even more.

By the way, I found the LAR Grizzly in 45 Win. Mag. to be very fun to shoot, I like the gun and the caliber, but it's not really a combat round IMO.

 

[brigadier]

Thanks guys. Just a point on lighter gun-less kick, it IS possible and is accomplished all the time. Try comparing a Sig P-220 to a Springfield 1911A1 some time. It's actually pretty easy to make an auto loader in the same caliber lighter and lower recoil then the Desert Eagle due to the fact that the Desert Eagle is gas operated which means you get a closed chamber kick BEFORE the recoil draw while recoil operation tends to eat up the kick. There is allot more to reducing kick of a gun then the guns weight. If weight were everything, the Barrett M-82A1 would have a dangerously hard kick to it. Spring tension, parts balance, parts displacement, action style, all of these things contribute to how a gun kicks and that's just to name a few.
FWIW, I wouldn't be doing this survey if everything mentioned above were not possible.

BTW. The LAR Grizzly long slide in .45 Win Mag is my personal favorite auto mag in existence. One of my friends has one and I love it. Personally, I like the .45 Win Mag more then the .50AE. I don't think you guys would guess why I am doing this survey.

 

[SDDL-UP]

I'd guess you want our opinions... if not - you're right we have NO IDEA!

 

[kd7nqb]

The desert eagle is a special gun the way it is. I dont have any need for a .50ae gun but I always thought it would be a great gun to say "I even have a .50ae Desert Eagle" I am pretty confident if I had one it would be a safe queen.

Give me a .50ae polymer frame pistol and I will say OOOOH YEA.

 

[brigadier]

I'd guess you want our opinions.

DANG IT! You win. LOL.

 

[Glockamania®]

1. Would you consider owning a .50AE semi-auto handgun if it?
NO

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you be influenced in buying a .50AE handgun if someone made a good performing and affordable .50AE load at a price of $30 or less per box of 50 rounds?
2

3. Would you buy a .50AE Desert Eagle if you had the money?
NO

4. Do you think Auto Magnums can fill a gap that revolvers do not fill?
NO

5. If yes, what gap/s do Auto Magnums fill in your opinion?
N/A

6. In your opinion, why do you think Auto Magnums have had very shallow success in the past?
Not sure.

7. Assuming all of the criteria in question 1. were met in a single handgun, do you think the .50AE has potential as a combat round. Explain your reason for your opinion.
NO, too big...more like bear/buffalo hunting round.

8. If you had a handgun that fit all of the criteria in question 1., what would you use it for?
Hunting

9. Finely, what, if any things not mentioned above, would influence you to consider buying a .50AE semiautomatic handgun?
Nothing. Also, I'm the official grammar police: "Finally". I'd consider getting on only in a rifle format rather than handgun platform.

 

[6_gunner]

If I had tons of money to throw away, at some point I'd probably get a .357 Desert Eagle just for fun.
The only way I'd own a .50 Desert Eagle is if somebody gave it to me; and then I'd probably sell it and get something I actually want.

If I was going to get an expensive, impractical handgun which fires ammo that nobody sells, I'd get a c96 Mauser. Actually, that's probably what I'd trade the unwanted Desert Eagle for.