Auto Ordnance Thompson

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I am not sure that you can own one in the PRC. They may have been banned by name. Even it=f they aren't, I am not real sure how you would install a bullet button on one. California sucks balls.

I don't blame you though, I have wanted one since I was a kid and I finally got one. BTW there are two of the semi-auto versions for sale on the Reno Armslist, one is a pistol and the other is a carbine.

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Thanks for reply, Highpower.

I will have to check but I don't think they are banned by name here.

PRC sucks for sure, and I will have to put a grip wrap on it so that it doesn't have a "pistol grip" anymore.

I think that's pretty much my only option.

Thanks again!
 
btw how does it shoot?
Any malfunctions? accuracy? etc.


That totally depends on the gun and who you ask.
Some people will tell you the older Numrich Arms guns are junk, others say the early Kahr Arms are junk, and often people will tell you the exact opposite.

Kahr Arms did have problems with their early production but i think they've correct those issues.

The guns are very accurate, but practical accuracy is handicapped by he non-adjustable sights.
On the Thompson not even the front sight can be moved.
Since the sights can't be moved you can't correct if the gun is not targeting correctly.
So while the groups may be small, they may be off center.
However, if you install an original SMG Lyman rear sight that has windage and micro click elevation adjustments and get it on target you can do some good work at 100 yards.

Reliability is often an issue with the magazines.
The mags that come with the gun are simply refinished surplus with the magazine catch locking hole filed upward to allow the semi-auto mag catch to engage.
If the mag is worn or if the hole was not fitted correctly and allows the mag to ride too low, reliability can be poor.
Get everything in order and the ones I've worked with were very reliable.

Kahr specifically warns to use 230 grain FMJ ammo ONLY, and NO steel cased ammo.
The Thompson semi-autos have a reputation for breaking the extractor if used with steel case ammo.
If you test fire the ammo enough to insure reliability you can shoot hollow point defense ammo, but you do have to do enough testing to be sure.

Two "problems" many people complain about is the heavy trigger pull and the VERY hard to cock action.
Both are pretty well caused by the design needed to get the BATF to allow Auto Ordnance to build a Thompson gun in semi-auto and using a lot of full-auto parts.
There are things that can be done to lighten the trigger pull and some people have the gun worked over by one of the semi-auto Thompson gunsmiths to lower the power needed to cock the gun.

Where the semi-auto "fits" is the same place as a replica Winchester 1873 rifle or a Colt black powder replica, and that's a gun that's as close as most of us will ever get to owning a full-auto Thompson.
They're a LOT of fun to shoot and will run through the ammo like you won't believe, especially when everyone at the range wants to shoot it.
 
My Dad just bought a new production rifle length about 3 months ago. It has very nice wood and nice bluing. It is very accurate and reliable with the stick mags. Heavy, of course, but almost no recoil due to the weight. Price the drums before you order one set up for the drums.
 
I've had one for a while now. Purchased new. At first, it was a jam o matic. The very first round required tools to get the spent case out.

Gradually, it became more reliable. Now I can run a full 50 round drum without any problems. This took over 500 rounds to achieve reliability.

It's accurate. Very accurate. I'm actually impressed with it's accuracy. But that's not why I bought it.

It's heavy. ~13 pounds empty. Add a full 50 round drum and It's akin to an anchor.

Kids love it. It's heavy. They can fire it from the hip, with little to no perceived recoil and keep all of the rounds on the berm with ease. It puts a real grin on their face.

It's easy to maintain and clean.

The wood is gorgeous, but the metal is not the prettiest.

All in all, I love my Thompson, but it only sees the range on rare occasions.
 
Auto Ordinance Thompson

A friend has one. I fired it and it works fine. But I can't think of any practical use for it. Besides, it weighs a ton!

You can buy a semi-auto 9 mm or .40 S&W from Hi-Point for a smidgen of what the Thompson costs and have a far more useful firearm. Of course they don't look cool like the Thompson.

But if you've got plenty of cash and like the look, go for it.
 
I’ve got an older Auto Ordinance M1 version that I inherited. Ran like crap at first, but after having sent it off for work it runs like a sewing machine now.

Only issue is “what to do with it?” as the others pointed out it’s a 11+lb, iron sighted, .45ACP carbine, it’s fun for a mag or two. Folks that come out like shooting it, but for me it has no practical application. I get far more use/practice from my AR in 9mm.

It sits in my gun rack 99.9% of the time and the only reason it hasn’t moved on is because it was my uncles.

Chuck
 
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I have an Auto Ordnance TM1 made by Numrich West Hurley NY (not the later Auto Ordnance Kahr Arms) that I bought used.

TM1 is their WWII M1A1 replica with semi-auto only and 16.5 inch barrel, opposed to original select fire and 10.5 inch barrel. Since the M1 was designed after the military dropped the Tyle L (50) drum for the Type XXX (30) stick magazine, the M1 accepts only the Type XXX sticks. Some of the original Type XX (20) sticks have thicker back ribs than the GI Type XXX and may be a tight fit on an M1 or TM1.

Sights

Rear sight is a ∩ shape with a generous peep hole for 50-100 yards and a notch at the top for 200 yards. I drilled a smaller hole in a piece black Dymo label tape and zeroed mine for 100 yards with Win White Box .45 ACP. Grouped about six inches at 100 yards.

Cocking

It's a .45 ACP closed-bolt semi-auto. Means heavy bolt and heavy springs. Much harder to cock than a full-auto open-bolt Thompson that fires as the bolt is still moving forward. I cut, fit and glued a section of drumstick to fit inside the TM1 side-cocking handle to extend the handle by 3/4 inch and give me more grip on the handle to cock the bolt.

Accuracy

I shot mine in the military match at the local gun club in 2011 because I had a lot of 45 ACP but was short on .30 Carbine and 7.62x39mm. Standing position, standard bullseye target at 100 yards, ten shots each target, perfect score 100, my best target was 82. The worse targets got taped over and used up in later practice or sight-ins, so I don't recall what they were. ;) The gun could shoot 85 to 95 all day but the weight could be tiring.

"Besides, it weighs a ton!"

My TM1 weighs 12 pounds with a loaded twenty shot Type XX stick. My M70AB2 Yugo Kalashnikov weighs 10 pounds with a loaded thirty shot magazine, and my M1 Carbine with side magazine pouch and two loaded 15 shot magazines weighs a bit over 7 pounds. They do make an aluminum trigger frame and receiver version that weighs 8 pounds. I am told the aluminum trigger frame alone cuts 2 pounds from the weight (since the upper receiver carries the serial number, the trigger frame is just a part).

"The mags that come with the gun are simply refinished surplus with the magazine catch locking hole filed upward to allow the semi-auto mag catch to engage. If the mag is worn or if the hole was not fitted correctly and allows the mag to ride too low, reliability can be poor."

The magazine that came with my used gun did not fit well or feed reliably (might be why I got a good price). I already had a couple of GI surplus Type XXX sticks, and carefully cut those myself to fit well. It has been as reliable as my AK and M1 Carbine. At the time, GI surplus Thompson mags were $15 and magazines for the AO semi-auto were $55. Some folks report replacing the semi-auto magazine catch with an original magazine catch to allow use of unaltered GI magazines.

Numrich and Kahr specified the Semi-auto Thompson was designed for brass cased ammo, 230 grain FMJ ammo, standard .45 ACP pressure. Imagine Mommy Dearest (or Basic Training Instructor whoever's scarier) telling you: NO. Steel. Cased. Ammo. Ever!! I tried a type of aluminum cased .45ACP shotshell that had worked fine in my .45 pistol, and got a bad jam that broke the extractor year one. Ordered a replacement extractor and has worked fine ever since with brass cased, 230RN FMJ, standard velocity only.

With the lower frame with buttstock (18 inches) removed from the upper barreled receiver (29 inches), my TM1 fits a 31 inch violin case with foam lining cut out for the components and two Type XXX magazines. (Assembled length is 37.5" due to overlap.)

That's some of my notes on my Auto Ordnance Thompson, but your mileage may vary.

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I have one, but I never use it. The handful of rounds I have put through it have had a small hiccup or two, but I'm still hovering around 200-300 rounds total through my gun. Actually, I'm trying to sell it because I so rarely use it.
 
I have 2008 Kahr production unit that currently serves as a primary home defense long gun, stored condition 3 in my bedroom security cabinet. No recoil, minimum muzzle blast, 30 rds of 230 gr FMJ goodness. The current factory mags are new production units (not milsurp re-works) and available in both 20 and 30 rd sticks.
 
The only thing I can add is, they are not left-hand friendly with stick mags. Your trigger finger, palm pad tends to release the mag while shooting!
 
PRC sucks for sure, and I will have to put a grip wrap on it so that it doesn't have a "pistol grip" anymore.

The M1 version has the WWII style fore end without the pistol grip. But, you give up the drum magazine with the M1.

Kahr/Auto Ordinance offers a larger charging handle. Helps with cocking the rifle because there is more to grab onto.

My experience is similar to Carl N. Brown's but mine is a Kahr/Auto Ordinance model.

Mine has worked from day one with 230 FMJ loads similar to military ball ammunition. That's the only 45 ACP cartridge that I load.

Mine has a steel frame and it is HEAVY. They make an aluminum version but I do not know how durable the aluminum frame is.
 
My brother had a Numrich Arms Thompson a number of years ago. It appeared to be LNIB. Initial impressions weren't good. Bluing was thin in places, there were numerous sharp edges on the receiver, and it was very difficult to get the magazines in place. The bolt and operating controls were very stiff and hard to use but that could have been because the gun was so new and unfired. Overall it was somewhat of a disappointment for how much it cost.
 
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