Autoloader Actions

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Single Action
Double Action
Double Action Only
Striker Fired (with hybrid of SA/DA)
Hammer Fired (Internal hybrid of SA/DA)
Hammer Fired (Internal SA)

Right now the Striker Fired are in vogue.
But we certainly see others such as the Shield .380 EZ and 9 EZ (I believe it's a Hammer Fired Internal Single Action?).
My question is? What's next after the Striker Fired? I'm sure some think we will still be using the latest variation of a Striker Fired Glock in 300 years but I'm sure someone will come along with what's perceived as a better mousetrap.
 
Honestly, unless someone develops something completely new and utterly reliable in new cartridges I don’t think we will see much in the way of a new action.
 
Pat Riot said:
Honestly, unless someone develops something completely new and utterly reliable in new cartridges I don’t think we will see much in the way of a new action.
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It only took 90 years for striker fired to catch on so one of the existing actions certainly could make a major comeback.
 
The limitations of handguns aren't generally related to their "action type" as defined here. There's really not a great need for a new action type.

We could see more electronic actions, though that would be more likely to be a result of some legislation requiring "smart gun" technology that would actually be hard to circumvent. Hacking a mechanical-action "smart gun" would be trivially easy, but it could be made somewhat more difficult to hack some conceivable electronic ignition systems... but I don't think any of us want that.
 
Both striker fired and hammer fired have been popular in handguns at least since the turn of the 20th century and most likely even earlier.

My traveling companion is nine years old. He is the ...

wait, wrong train of thought.

My traveling companion is over 100 years old and is a striker fired single action pistol with grip and manual safety. Lately striker has returned to popularity and for many of the same reasons it was popular a century or more ago; it can be simpler with fewer parts and so cheaper to manufacture.

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Don't forget the blow back and gas operated actions....and even piston operated actions.
 
jar said:
Both striker fired and hammer fired have been popular in handguns at least since the turn of the 20th century and most likely even earlier.

My traveling companion is nine years old. He is the ...

wait, wrong train of thought.

My traveling companion is over 100 years old and is a striker fired single action pistol with grip and manual safety. Lately striker has returned to popularity and for many of the same reasons it was popular a century or more ago; it can be simpler with fewer parts and so cheaper to manufacture.

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My point was it took a long time for them to.dominate.
 
94045 said:
Single Action
Double Action
Double Action Only
Striker Fired (with hybrid of SA/DA)
Hammer Fired (Internal hybrid of SA/DA)
Hammer Fired (Internal SA)

Right now the Striker Fired are in vogue.
But we certainly see others such as the Shield .380 EZ and 9 EZ (I believe it's a Hammer Fired Internal Single Action?).
My question is? What's next after the Striker Fired? I'm sure some think we will still be using the latest variation of a Striker Fired Glock in 300 years but I'm sure someone will come along with what's perceived as a better mousetrap.
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The title is 'Autoloader Actions'
But you are showing trigger firing control groups. Not the same thing.
Today most guns are based on the browning tilting barrel short recoil system and most of the reminder are the straight blow black action types. But, there are many more action types.
Relative to the trigger mechanism, for bullseye target shooting the single action type of fire control will always find favor.
 
barnetmill said:
The title is 'Autoloader Actions'
But you are showing trigger firing control groups. Not the same thing.
Today most guns are based on the browning tilting barrel short recoil system and most of the reminder are the straight blow black action types. But, there are many more action types.
Relative to the trigger mechanism, for bullseye target shooting the single action type of fire control will always find favor.
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I realize that but we still refer to them as single action, double action etc and while it may not be technically correct I often hear them refered to as striker fired action and hammer fired action.
 
94045 said:
My point was it took a long time for them to.dominate.
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No, it didn't; unless you are only talking about Glock and similar plastic pistols.
John Browning and George Luger came up with very popular striker fired pistols around the turn of the previous century.

Remington made electrically fired rifles and there was a French built electrically fired shotgun, both dependent on dedicated electric primers.
Krico made a few .22 rifles that put such a jolt of electricity through the rim of the case that it would fire standard .22 LR.
None could compete against the huge installed base of percussion fired guns.
 
Maybe it just seems that the majority of non-pocket pistols sold now are striker fired where as the majority sold during the 20th Century were hammer fired.

I certainly don't have the numbers so it's possible my perception is flawed.
 
There are two types of ignition systems commonly used by modern self loading handguns-
- hammer fired
- striker fired

There are three types of trigger actions commonly used by modern self loading handguns-
- single action
- double action
- partially cocked

Striker fired ignition systems do not have to use a partially cocked trigger action. The striker fired HK Vp70z uses a double action trigger. The PPQ uses a single action trigger.

A DA/SA trigger is not its own unique action, it is only a combination of a double and single action trigger and is readily modified to be one or the other.
 
There were lots of striker fired pistols throughout the 20th century. A great example is the Browning 1910 that was in continuous production right into the 1970s and 1980s and a success in the civilian, police and military markets.
 
One day while messing with a Glock, I got to thinking about striker fired firearms. I pondered that many people have heard the term striker fired and many of them probably know that Glocks and their ilk are striker fired pistols. I then pondered that likely, relatively few know that nearly all bolt action rifles are also striker fired.

Just a thought I had about how things like to come full circle and how old ideas become new again.
 
The OP is confusing the trigger mechanism with the way the firing pin is given the power to ignite the cartridge. He is also wrong about the types of trigger mechanism. Off the top of my head, they are:

Single Action - this is as old as firearms
Semi-Single Action - this goes back at least as far as the Roth Steyr Model 1907, and probably earlier. After going nowhere for 75 years, it became immensely popular in the Glock.
Double Action - This goes back at least to the Beaumont-Adams revolvers of the 1850's.
Double Action Only - This goes back to the pepperbox revolvers of the...1820's? 1830's?

There have been some oddballs, like the Browning "Dual Mode", which was an automatic pistol that could be set to Revolver mode, which made its trigger mechanism work like a revolver's: Double action only unless thumb cocked.

The firing pin can either get its power from its own spring (striker fired) or be hit with a hammer. There have been electrically fired guns, using either a solenoid to power the firing pin, or an electric spark to ignite the cartridge, but these are very few.

With all of these things, there are probably variations I do not know about, because cartridge handguns have been around for 160-odd years, and people have expended a LOT of creativity in their design.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
I then pondered that likely, relatively few know that nearly all bolt action rifles are also striker fired.
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On the other hand, modern military weapons are so readily field stripped that I am sure most folks know that there is a hammer down inside their AR or AK type. There's a hammer in your shotgun, too, even though it doesn't as often see daylight, especially in a double barrel.

And Colt's Pocket Hammerless and Smith & Wesson's Safety Hammerless have hammers, too.

The Savage pistols are odd. They apparently have a hammer spur hanging out the back end. But the machinery is such that the explainers call it a "cocking lever."
 
Well, if we are getting into autoloading actions, not just lockwork, the field of discussion gets bigger.
The P7 and GB and a few others are gas retarded blowback. I do not know of a piston action pistol smaller than the Desert Eagle. Jeff Cooper showed a couple of Husqvarna prototypes that did not make it into production.
 
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