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Knoxville's Metro Pulse has a pretty fair article in the latest edition. Not perfect, but at least mostly fair.

Is the Tamara quoted our Tamara?


Automatics for the People
What’s changed in the gun world since Clinton’s ban expired?

by Molly Kincaid

“I just like to come down here and punch holes in paper,†says Knoxvillian Terry Hardin. He and the rest of the men shooting at the John Sevier Hunter Education Center and Rifle Range have various reasons to do so, from hobby to hunting practice to self-defense to competition. The collective mood of the bunch is calm and competent, void of the fanatical machismo I’d prepared myself for.

When it’s my turn to shoot, the buzz that comes with firing a semi-automatic rifle for the first time is almost an afterthought. While the smokiness of spent powder and the smooth surface of the rifle’s body should arouse a tingling feeling of power or a savage prick of excitement, the concentration required to handle the hefty weapon overpowers any initial sensory stimulation.

Danny Guy, a safety instructor at the range, took care to familiarize me with the intricacies of the M1A rifle, which is the civilian equivalent of the M14, the military’s primary weapon for a few years prior to the escalation of the Vietnam War in 1966. Before each shuddering shot, he reminds me to “align my sights†then “look through the black halo†(a tiny black circular sight that aids in aim) and “undo the safety†then “squeeze through the soft spot and finally, the trigger.†All these steps commingle in my mind as I crouch close to the gun, tunnel my vision through the halo, eyes blurring. Before I know it, I’ve shot the beast of a weapon, and its stock is slamming back into my shoulder, knocking loose my senses from their transfixed numbness. Only then does an ambiguous excitement tempered with relief begin to set in.

The various guns I shoot at the gun range are not, by the government’s standards, classified as “assault weapons.†Still, Guy tells me that they have essentially the same amount of power, and they certainly feel capable of assault.

President Bill Clinton’s 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in September, placed a ban on 19 guns classified as “assault weapons.†Historically, restrictions on firearms are by no means limited to liberal politicians; both the Reagan and Bush (the elder) administrations oversaw the implementation of limits on importation of certain foreign weapons.

The lingering question about the 1994 ban is, “What, if anything, did it accomplish?†Gun enthusiasts say its effects were petty, aside from simply being a morale-boosting coup for the anti-gun lobby.

People on both sides of the debate are so biased that it’s nearly impossible to pick through the jumble of truths, rationalizations, opinions and flat-out fabrications.

One overwhelmingly unanimous opinion among gun enthusiasts is that Clinton’s ban really didn’t have a clear target. Most gun retailers despise the use of the term “assault weapon,†often ridiculing it as a misnomer fabricated by politicians ignorant on the subject of firearms. Tamara, a long-time salesperson at Randy’s Guns and Knives, says, “The real inanity of the ban is that several legal shotguns were more powerful [than banned weapons] but had wooden stocks, so they didn’t look as scary.â€

Admittedly, the once-banned AR15, all black metal and plastic, does look a lot more sinister than the M1A, which has a wooden stock and would look homey on the mantle of a hunter’s cabin. That said, there are differences that, though gun enthusiasts beg to differ, are more than just cosmetic.

For example, under the ban, guns could not be sold or manufactured with collapsible stocks, which allow the shooter to shorten the length of the gun. This could presumably make the firearm easier to conceal, which is unnecessary in hunting or hobby shooting.

Flash suppressers, attached to the tip of the barrel to diminish the visible flash, were also forbidden under the ban. “They would be useful at night, for the military, for example. It would keep the enemy from knowing where the fire came from,†says Guy.

Again, this feature doesn’t seem necessary for sporting use, but Guy explains that many sportsmen value the “historical look of [flash suppressers]. They look more like military arms.â€

Another restriction under the ban was placed on bayonet attachments, prompting most gun enthusiasts to scoff, “When was the last time you heard of someone getting murdered by bayonet?†Fair enough, but I couldn’t get a straight answer as to what, exactly, would be the purpose of the bayonet attachment as far as hobby, sport, or even self-defense. (After all, if you are holding a semi-automatic weapon whose bullets could bust through several layers of drywall, why would you need a bayonet?)

The most significant difference in the gun market since the ban expired is the increased capacity space of the magazine (the cartridge which holds the bullets). Before the ban, no magazine could be sold or manufactured (for long guns or handguns) that held more than 10 rounds. Though most shooters at the range still use 10-round magazines, there is now a variety available. The highest I saw was a 90-round coil for an AR15 on sale at a recent RK Gun Show, which would make it possible to shoot 90 bullets rapidly without reloading.

The question of whether the banned weapons were rightfully termed “assault weapons†or whether they are any more dangerous than legal guns is a never-ending debate. Regardless, the looming problem with all of these regulations is that, ultimately, many people still owned what the government classified as “assault weapons†while the ban was in effect because of a grandfather clause.

“We haven’t seen much of a change in the weapons people use here [since the ban expired] because so many people had licenses to shoot these guns during the ban,†says Guy of the significant loophole in the legislation.

Area gun retailers confirm Guy’s assertion that the gun world hasn’t seen a significant change since the ban was lifted. Larry Greenlee, of Craig’s Firearms, says that immediately after the ban expired, “sales picked up a little, but it calmed back down again.†He chalks the small boost up to a forbidden fruit phenomenon; people automatically wanted what they couldn’t have before.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, which provides background checks for all guns purchased in Tennessee, gives statistics that would tend to further the notion that the ban’s expiration was a mere blip on the radar of the gun world. Records from October 2004 show that TBI processed 20,484 total firearms—only a handful more guns than the 19,499 they processed in October of 2003, when the ban was still in effect. Not exactly a sales boom.

So, while folks on either side of the gun control debate have staunch opinions on the ban, its practical applications seem to have been pretty meager. Of course, other avenues of gun control are either possible or already in effect. Many states have their own restrictive gun laws. Massachusetts has a mandatory one-year jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm; a measure that takes on the gun lobby’s argument that criminals don’t abide by gun laws.

The Brady Law of 1994 provides for more in-depth background checks as well as mandatory five-day waiting periods, but Tennessee is among 27 states exempt from these provisions. Presently, the background check usually only takes a few moments, allowing customers to make a purchase almost instantly. Jennifer Johnson of the TBI says, “The TN Instant Check system simply tells the retailer whether the person has a felony in their criminal history.â€

Says Greenlee of the background checks, “That part is out of our hands. All we do is check ID and make sure you are who you say you are. After that it’s in the government’s hands.â€

Education could be another missing link on the road to gun safety. In Tennessee, one needs no permit or special education to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun. Acquiring a permit to carry a handgun requires safety classes, but plenty of murders and accidental deaths occur in the home, where no permit is needed.

Even the gun enthusiasts at the rifle range would likely support stricter requirements as far as safety education, judging from their eminently disciplined approach to hobby shooting. During a ceasefire, Hardin, who’s been shooting since his 8th birthday when he received his first .22 rifle, quips, “Everybody down here is for gun control...and gun control is hitting what you’re aiming at.â€

While the hunters and competition shooters at the rifle range seem to be model gun owners—law-abiding and objective in their consideration toward the anti-gun lobby—a few folks at the RK Gun Show were less levelheaded. Gun shows give retailers, collectors and gun buyers a forum to talk shop, display their prized possessions, and make transactions. The show, held at the Knoxville Expo Center a few weeks ago, gave me a peek at another side of the gun world. While a few people I spoke with told me brusquely to go away after learning that I was a reporter, the ones who would chat with me kept their guard up.

To say that I stood out at the gun show would be an understatement; I was one of only a few females, and the only one who didn’t have a thumb hooked in a boyfriend’s back jeans pocket. The woman at the ticket booth asked kindly if I wasn’t mistaking the gun show for the craft show around the corner.

If firearms attract a brand of fanaticism, gun shows are surely where it lurks. Camo-clad attendees perused with intensity the endless rows of tables lined with every variety of handgun, long gun, knife, magazine, and accessory imaginable. The awing capability for destruction in the massive warehouse would bewilder most, but it seemed to be the norm for the members of this intimidating microculture.

One salesman, David Evans of Cleveland, Tenn., regards the gun ban with disgust. When asked what alternate measures could be taken to reduce gun crime, he says, “Get rid of idiots like Kerry and Kennedy—they are a bunch of fools. Anything that’s semi-automatic they want to call an assault weapon. That’s a bunch of horse????.â€

One can’t blame them for being on the defensive; gun shows have been under attack for years for being a loophole in gun legislation. While purchasing a firearm at a licensed gun retailer requires a background check through the TBI, gun shows are notorious havens for unauthorized gun transactions (i.e. a good place for those with criminal records to get guns).

One booth at the gun show features instructional CDs with titles such as “Silencer Cookbook†and “Full Auto Conversion.†The young man at the counter says of the latter, which describes how to convert a semiautomatic weapon into an automatic, “It’s kind of illegal, but it’s not illegal to know how to do it. It’s a good CD. I sell a lot of those.â€

For the record, it is legal to purchase machine guns (or full automatics) since the ban expired, but it requires a six- to nine-month backgroun check by the FBI and a permit issued by the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms). Danny Guy contemplates the subject of machine guns for a moment before saying, “It’s just what floats your boat—what thrills you. Because there’s absolutely no purpose for them...no reason any citizen would need one.â€
 
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The awing capability for destruction in the massive warehouse would bewilder most, but it seemed to be the norm for the members of this intimidating microculture.

There are somewhere around 80 million gun owmners and yet WE are the microculture!!!!! :fire:

While purchasing a firearm at a licensed gun retailer requires a background check through the TBI, gun shows are notorious havens for unauthorized gun transactions (i.e. a good place for those with criminal records to get guns).

This a bald face LIE!!!! Less than 1 percent of criminals get there guns from shows!!!!!!!!! :barf:
 
Certainly a more evenhanded writeup than would be seen from a place like the New York Times.

Fair enough, but I couldn’t get a straight answer as to what, exactly, would be the purpose of the bayonet attachment as far as hobby, sport, or even self-defense.
There are, however, two problems with this assertion.
1) It implies that since there's really not much practical use to having a bayonet that maybe the ban wasn't such a bad thing.

2) It neglects the fact that under the law, possessing a rifle made after 1994 that has a bayonet lug on it is considered a felony. Personally, I have some serious ethical qualms with a law that can lock a person up just because the doo-dad on the end of their rifle is a particular shape.
 
Flash suppressers, attached to the tip of the barrel to diminish the visible flash, were also forbidden under the ban. “They would be useful at night, for the military, for example. It would keep the enemy from knowing where the fire came from,†says Guy.

Uh, not quite. A flash suppressor protects the eyes of the SHOOTER from too much flash at night or in low light conditions. I think that it is physically impossible to hide the flash from someone who is in the general direction of a gun's target without also blocking the bullet itself (and then why bother shooting?).

My point is that Guy doesn't know *** he is talking about. I wonder how much other information he gave the writer that is equally faulty.
 
Does anybody really know how a flash hider works. Seriously. We need to have a nightime education session. Have you ever seen an M16 fired at night? :rolleyes:
 
Here's what I sent:

Ms. Kincaid,

I'm writing regarding your article, "Automatics for the People" in today's MetroPulse.
Essentially, it seems fair, however it closes with a false impression:
"For the record, it is legal to purchase machine guns (or full automatics) since the ban expired, but it requires a six- to nine-month background check by the FBI and a permit issued by the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms)."
Yes, it's true that one may buy fully automatic weapons since the ban's expiration, since it's been true since the 1930's. Your implication that it's only been true since the expiration of the ban is essentially a falsehood.
You also bring up the so-called "Gun Show Loophole", which is in and of itself a falsehood. Dealers at gun shows must follow the same laws as in their shops. However, private parties are permitted, in most states, to sell legally possessed firearms to other private parties. This is so whether the transaction occurs at a gun show, in a parking lot, at a home, or anywhere. Demonizing gun shows for what is legal anywhere else is, in my opinion, just another type of lie. Is it a "gun show loophole" that someone can purchase a can of soda at a gun show? By the logic of those who use the term "Gun Show Loophole" it is.
Regardless of where one stands on this issue, spreading half-truths does nobody any good.

Thank you,
 
When it’s my turn to shoot, the buzz that comes with firing a semi-automatic rifle for the first time is almost an afterthought. While the smokiness of spent powder and the smooth surface of the rifle’s body should arouse a tingling feeling of power or a savage prick of excitement, the concentration required to handle the hefty weapon overpowers any initial sensory stimulation.

Ok, tell me it's not a metaphor for something freudian.

Firing it off for the first time, caressing the smooth surface of it's body,arousing a tingling feeling of power or a savage prick of excitement. The concentration required to handle the hefty...object overpowers any initial sensory stimulation.

Jeeze guys, after that I wouldn't be supprised if it wasn't bullets you were shooting.

When i go shooting I practice to kill people, to spray bullets upon them and penetrate them quickly with my bayonett....DAMMIT!
 
The whole bayonet thing has always made me snicker with contempt. Yeah, we really needed address the bayonet problem.

Does anyone remember the Great Compton Bayonet Charge of 1991 that the Crips mounted against the entrenched Bloods? They lined up four deep and a thousand men wide ... bayonets glistening in the sun ... it was beautiful and horrific at the same time. ;)
 
Seems pretty slanted against us to me.

And who the heck started her out on an M1A? Couldn't they find her a nice AR-15 to shoot? :p

This could presumably make the firearm easier to conceal, which is unnecessary in hunting or hobby shooting.

This is true, unless you consider a 30", 7 pound AR-15 "concealable." Not to mention you could buy fixed stocks that were as short as fully collapsed stocks. :rolleyes:

Fair enough, but I couldn’t get a straight answer as to what, exactly, would be the purpose of the bayonet attachment as far as hobby, sport, or even self-defense.

Straight answer - if you run of out rounds while defending yourself, and someone is right next to you, a bayonet could come in handy. Does it really take that much imagination?

Before the ban, no magazine could be sold or manufactured (for long guns or handguns) that held more than 10 rounds.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Even if she meant "before the ban sunset," it's still wrong. Do these writers do any research whatsoever?

“We haven’t seen much of a change in the weapons people use here [since the ban expired] because so many people had licenses to shoot these guns during the ban,†says Guy of the significant loophole in the legislation.

Completely, utterly false. I don't know if she misquoted him, but this is obviously wrong.

Massachusetts has a mandatory one-year jail sentence for anyone illegally possessing a firearm; a measure that takes on the gun lobby’s argument that criminals don’t abide by gun laws.

Errr... how? Huh? What the heck is she talking about?

Even the gun enthusiasts at the rifle range would likely support stricter requirements as far as safety education

Must be fun to put words in other peoples' mouths. And we all know that mandatory "training" and requirements to show "fitness" or "need" are abused all the time.

Danny Guy contemplates the subject of machine guns for a moment before saying, “It’s just what floats your boat—what thrills you. Because there’s absolutely no purpose for them...no reason any citizen would need one.â€

A misquotation - There's absolutely no reason any subject would need one. Citizens, however, need to be as well-armed as government employees. :p

Someone needs to hit this lady with a clue bat.
 
Wrap it up in a calm nice and it still smells like anti bias !

All the anti buzz words and false information is still there and not being brought to the light ! :barf:
 
Is the Tamara quoted our Tamara?

Crap.

Yeah, that's me.

That's me in the picture, too.

Over an hour of my time wasted, including letting goatee-boy snap a pic of a 740 and a post-ban AR side-by-side, and that's all we get?

Suffice it to say that, if that's all my exhaustive work came to, the reporter was more of a ditz than she appeared. She seemed so smart, too...

Hell.

At least I got my piccie in the rag. Wave "Hi!" at the merchant of death. :rolleyes:


(The really, really SAD thing is that I spent ten minutes of my time explaining the inanity of the whole "flash-hider" thing to chickie-poo and goatee-lad. I want that time back.)
 
Metro Pulse is a rag... it's useful to figure out where to eat and what time movies are playing, and that's about it; and even then only because it's FREE.

'tis a bastion of big D Democracy.

I'm beginning to *really* wish they'd chosen another word to name their party after...
 
You know, folks used to use newspaper for toilet paper. Am I recommending this? No. Newspapers and other publications with Liberal, Democrat, or Communist bias are an inferior grade. Ya'll might hurt yourselves.
 
Fair enough, but I couldn’t get a straight answer as to what, exactly, would be the purpose of the bayonet attachment as far as hobby, sport, or even self-defense. (After all, if you are holding a semi-automatic weapon whose bullets could bust through several layers of drywall, why would you need a bayonet?)
A) Because it carries a ring of historical accuracy. Many of us consider guns to be collectibles and heirlooms, as well as weapons, and we want them to look (and function) like their ancestors.

B) Because it looks cool. I can't fathom the purpose of fins on cars, either, but I love the look of my neighbor's rebuilt Bel-Air.

The big question (and this points to some of the inherent logical fallacy of the AWB) is, "if [this is] a semi-automatic weapon whose bullets could bust through several layers of drywall, why are you so worried about a knife attached to the end?"

Funny thing is, I just got some nice 13-rounders for my Sig 228, and I don't feel any more inclined towards violence because of them. Is it possible I'm not using them right?
 
I agree Metro Pulse is a liberal rag. Every college town has one, and it has always been Knoxville's bastion of leftist conspiracy and socialist propaganda. That said, I still think it was mostly fair. Heck she basically admitted that the Brady Bunch lies (accusing RKBA supporters of lying has no impact on her audience (it certainly doesn't make our standing any worse than it is with them), but turning people off from Brady is actually quite extraordinary and outside the usual bounds of liberal propaganda).

Here's what I posted over at Alphecca about it
As I've posted, I thought it was mostly fair.

She got some facts wrong, but thats excusable as I don't believe she had any knowledge of guns coming in to this thing.

I think she found the experience of shooting enjoyable but really didn't have a problem till she went to a gun show. Can't say I can fault her for that since I wasn't at this gun show but have to admit that most gun shows have a fair share of people there I wouldn't invite into my home - and thats just the shady dealers and Nazi paraphernalia guys.

I've long thought that guns show organizers really should strive to improve their image - keep the Nazi crap out, or at least don't stick it front and center, etc. The most impressive gun show I've been to was the Nation's Gun Show in August here in Northern Virginia. Even my mom was shocked at how normal the attendees looked and how organized and none threatening the venue was.

Whether we like it or not, people judge books by their covers. A lot of the controversy over gun shows would go away (or not even have arisen) if the gun show organizers were a bit more thoughtful in their planning.
I think that pretty much sums things up for me. Seems like she was well on her way to a healthy and positive acceptance of guns until she ran into the usual detritus that lurks around the fringes of gun shows.

Over an hour of my time wasted, including letting goatee-boy snap a pic of a 740 and a post-ban AR side-by-side, and that's all we get?

Suffice it to say that, if that's all my exhaustive work came to, the reporter was more of a ditz than she appeared. She seemed so smart, too...

Hell.

At least I got my piccie in the rag. Wave "Hi!" at the merchant of death.

(The really, really SAD thing is that I spent ten minutes of my time explaining the inanity of the whole "flash-hider" thing to chickie-poo and goatee-lad. I want that time back.)
HI Merchant of Death :neener:

Hey, at least you got your picture taken. Don't worry about the reporter. Most are brainless dolts, I generally won't speak to them any more (much to the chagrin of our PR office). One of the areas we on the right generally mess up is that we go into too much detail and confuse the issue. Sometimes a not entirely correct account is better if its short, simple to understand, and generally conveys the message we want out. I see this problem every day as I fight environmental groups (and Democrats generally), and its especially a problem for 2nd Amendment groups. The NRA understands the problem, which is why they sometimes don't respond as fully as we would like, but most other groups don't.

Perhaps you simply overloaded her with information.
 
I just got a kick out of the fact that the article was trying to be about the AW ban sunset and than the article uses a picture of a imported HK that is still under the '89 ban and the '98 EO covering mil mags. currently waving hi at the merchant of death.
 
I can see that her "research" did not take her to www.awbansunset.com.

There she would have found that people want a flash suppressor in case they have to shoot somebody at night, so that the first shot does not blind them.

She would have also found that people want a folding stock because having a stock is nice, but if you wind up having to shoot somebody inside a house, it's also nice if your gun is fairly short.
 
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