AZ: Poll on whether to allow CCW carry on school grounds

[swifteagle]

Come participate in the poll on whether or not 21 yr old & older adult CCW permit holders should be allowed to continue carrying concealed across the "gun free school zone" boundary line in Arizona or if they should be forced to leave their gun in their vehicle (unloaded & out of sight hidden from view in a locked vehicle) as current AZ law requires? (No registration required to participate in poll):

http://www.azcentral.com/news/#poll

Also, if interested, check out this video of people who testified before an AZ Senate hearing both for & against proposed legislation (SB 1214) to remove the ban (those against testified first, for testified second). The testimonies of those in favor of the bill began @ the 1hr:05min:12sec mark. After you listen to one or two against you can skip forward - all the opponents used the same tired made up rhetoric of "what if" scenarios with absolutely no basis in fact. Simply emotional rhetoric based on their fear of weapons.

 

[RKBABob]

Should Arizona make it legal for people with permits to carry handguns on school campuses?

No, they will make campus a more dangerous place. 54.99%

Yes, recent tragedies show us they’re needed. 33.18%

It makes little difference either way. 11.83%

Total Votes: 651

 

[jerkin]

No 54.92%

Yes 33.28%

indifferent 11.80%

Total Votes: 661

 

[swifteagle]

Should Arizona make it legal for people with permits to carry handguns on school campuses?
No, they will make campus a more dangerous place. 54.48%
Yes, recent tragedies show us they’re needed. 33.82%
It makes little difference either way. 11.71%
Total Votes: 692

 

[PcMakr]

No. 53.22%

Yes. 35.31%

Little Difference. 11.48%

Votes. 793

If people keep voting it may go below 50%. It's slowly going down.

 

[LAR-15]

Hit

Add the indifferent with the pro ccw votes

 

[Cougfan2]

Did my part. The Antis are still ahead.

 

[moojpg2]

lol, you would think with 60,000 members on thr we could win this poll, come on guys, let's not give the paper some anti gun stats to publish

 

[HK G3]

No, they will make campus a more dangerous place.
52.15%
Yes, recent tragedies show us they’re needed.
36.59%
It makes little difference either way.
11.27%

Maybe post this poll in the general forum? That seems to be where all the poll action gets accomplished.

 

[swifteagle]

Good idea HK G3. Done:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=341559

 

[USMCDK]

tried to do my part with that link and there was nothing there that said poll so I couldn't vote and help us gun FREAKS, lol just kidding, out

I'm all for gun owners that do the right and legal thing to be able to carry everywhere and anywhere. It's our god given right under the bill of rights.

The winnie scared anti gun panzies (SORRY HAD TO GET IT OUT) don't understand that law abidding citizen don't just walk into a school and radomly or discriminantly shot people, they don't even shot people for the hell of it either. We shoot people to save our lives and the ones we love. or in the militaries case (even outside of war zone) to save the lives of our counrty.

 

[swifteagle]

Yes, they pulled the poll down. I would venture to guess that they pulled it down when they noticed that the results were changing rather rapidly. They wouldn't want a Poll to show results that did not support their belief.

 

[KBintheSLC]

It's our god given right under the bill of rights.

Please refrain from using the word "God" in your arguments promoting gun rights.

First of all, your hypothetical "God" did not give us that right. The founding fathers of the United States of America, and the US Constitution, for which they fought and died, gives us that right.

Second of all, it does not help our cause when you mix those two subjects in such a short statement... sounds like just another religious fanatic/gun nut. Needless to say, that is a poor representation of the logical and rational minds I have conversed with here.

The winnie scared anti gun panzies

This is not an argument. Calling them names like a schoolyard bully just reinforces the beliefs that gun owners are "nut cases" and should be disarmed.

You may want to rethink your approach, and leave the "I'm a tough guy-Marine Corps-oorah" stuff back at the base with your corps buddies.

This attitude will not win over the hearts and minds of the antis.

 

[azredhawk44]

First of all, your hypothetical "God" did not give us that right. The founding fathers of the United States of America, and the US Constitution, for which they fought and died, gives us that right.

Second of all, it does not help our cause when you mix those two subjects in such a short statement... sounds like just another religious fanatic/gun nut. Needless to say, that is a poor representation of the logical and rational minds I have conversed with here.

Rights cannot be conferred upon men by other men. Priveledges can, which can be revoked. Man, being inherently no better or worse than any other man, is incapable of granting rights upon a peer. Also, if man does not hold the right in the first place, it cannot exist to be granted to another man.

Whether God-given or natural, rights transcend all government. To argue that government grants rights is to immediately surrender when government makes a claim to revoke those rights.

 

[RP88]

I'm not sure about carrying into high school grounds. Then again, the high schools around me have cops at them (not around, actually in the school) from 6:30-5:30 five days a week.

still voted yes since I'm indifferent but would like to help you guys out

 

[WayneConrad]

RP88, Thank you, most sincerely, for your support.

One thing to remember is that a high school is big. And the cops you speak of--how many of them are there on each campass? One? Two? And what about after 5:30pm, or on weekends, when some extracurricular activities may still taking place? Teacher stays late--out of luck? Students and teachers working overtime on the yearbook--victims? Let's not depend only upon the police to keep our kids save.

 

[Wineoceros]

Please refrain from using the word "God" in your arguments promoting gun rights.

Generally good advice. Applies equally well to any other name for one or more divine beings.

First of all, your hypothetical "God" did not give us that right. The founding fathers of the United States of America, and the US Constitution, for which they fought and died, gives us that right.

Right, sort of...but mostly wrong. The founders and the document they produced serve to protect those rights (theoretically, at least) but they did not give them to us. Central to the thinking of the framers as well as the Bill of Rights itself is the notion of natural rights that we possess simply by virtue of being people. This is indicated by the carefully crafted phrase...

"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"​

...in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence. Note that "their Creator" does not refer to "God" nor any other specific deity. In fact, it's interpretation may be left open to the reader to refer simply to nature. But the idea is that the rights protected by the Constitution are inherent, and not granted by men.

Also take note of Amendment IX in the Bill of Rights.

Second of all, it does not help our cause when you mix those two subjects in such a short statement... sounds like just another religious fanatic/gun nut.

I don't know that "fanatic" is a fair label here. But you're right that the religious element is both unnecessary and ultimately detrimental to the cause.