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[hawg]

At least you didn't listen to others who said that Pyrodex and other substitutes "don't need to be cleaned"

It was a week later I realized they were wrong.

Who told you you didn't have to clean Pyrodex? Certainly nobody here.

 

[TTv2]

Who told you you didn't have to clean Pyrodex? Certainly nobody here.

A Nutnfancy video about the Hawken rifle.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

You could send it over my way and get it tuned, I make music wire springs that replace the flat one. They don't break. Another tip is to fill the area around the bolt and trigger with hi temperature bearing grease. It not only lubes those parts but acts as a barrier to fouling and moisture. Shameless plug for my tuning services.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

You could send it over my way and get it tuned, I make music wire springs that replace the flat one. They don't break. Another tip is to fill the area around the bolt and trigger with hi temperature bearing grease. It not only lubes those parts but acts as a barrier to fouling and moisture. Shameless plug for my tuning services.

The man knows what he's doing. You won't regret it

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Yep, he "tuned" the Little Brat from a paper weight, into a 100% reliable, never jams pistol. That's almost magic.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Thanks for all the mentions, really appreciate it! Ugly I am glad your little brat is behaving itself. I have one too that I am playing with. These pocket pistols pack a surprising punch all things considered. Shot mine with both a conical and a ball. Was just an informal kinda thing, so much smoke that I couldn't tell where it was hitting. Next time will be paper targets.

 

[wheelyfun66]

You could send it over my way and get it tuned, I make music wire springs that replace the flat one. They don't break. Another tip is to fill the area around the bolt and trigger with hi temperature bearing grease. It not only lubes those parts but acts as a barrier to fouling and moisture. Shameless plug for my tuning services.

Hey there, Mr Jackrabbit1957;
I've been wanting to have some work done to my Cimarron 1858 conversion and also in search of a 1862 Pocket Police model that will likely need tuning, ha!
Do you have a website or do folks just reach out to you via PM?

 

[Ugly Sauce]

These pocket pistols pack a surprising punch all things considered.

I found that with a ball, it will hold enough 4fg to pack a good punch. But I also found that the most I can get behind a slug is 15 grains, which penetrates far less through lumber than the ball. All the slugs I have in .375" are in the 140 grain range, I suspect the 1862PP would do better/best with a short 100-110 grain slug/bullet/conical.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

I found that with a ball, it will hold enough 4fg to pack a good punch. But I also found that the most I can get behind a slug is 15 grains, which penetrates far less through lumber than the ball. All the slugs I have in .375" are in the 140 grain range, I suspect the 1862PP would do better/best with a short 100-110 grain slug/bullet/conical.

Ugly,
You mind uploading a pic of your .36 conical? What you rocking with these days?
I always use round ball or the colt conical from eras gone.
I have some new interesting hollow base .454 175 grain bullets I'm needing to give a whirl.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Ugly,
You mind uploading a pic of your .36 conical? What you rocking with these days?
I always use round ball or the colt conical from eras gone.
I have some new interesting hollow base .454 175 grain bullets I'm needing to give a whirl.

I could do that. I have some "interesting" .36 bullets. One especially that accurate molds has cataloged.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

The top left is a Kaido bullet, which is 142 grains.
Next one on the right is in the catalog, I think it was designed by the "Outlaw Kid", that's who I got them from. 140 grains. We called it the "KREAL". Kind of a take off from the LEE REAL rifle bullets, but with generous lube grooves.

Far right is the Remington bullet, but with a flat nose/metplat. 135 grains.
Center/close (a bit out of focus) is the Colt bullet, but again with a flat nose. 139.5 grains.

The flat noses hit a little harder, so they say, I believe it's true, and gives one a bit more powder space.

I did a lot of shooting with these in my Model 1863 New Model Army Remington of Navy caliber. I got the best accuracy with the "KREAL", and I think the Kaido came in about second. The Colt and Remington bullets did fine, the Remington probably came in last, but a close last. The Remington was best for loading in a combustible cartridge with it's long reduced base. I think it's the shortest too, so you can cram more powder under it when loading with loose powder.

In the Remington revolver I could get 24 grains of 4fg under all those bullets. That's not bad.

Hope that helps!!!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

What you rocking with these days?

Mostly been shooting my 1860 that Jack put a magic spell on. Getting 1000fps out of it's stubby 6-something inch barrel. !!! (round ball) Also recently picked up a 1863 New Model Army Remington, it pops off really nice with a short 207 grain bullet.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I need to weigh the conicals I shoot from my 36s. They are from an ancient Lee mold. I was getting 20 grains of 4f behind them.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Mostly been shooting my 1860 that Jack put a magic spell on. Getting 1000fps out of it's stubby 6-something inch barrel. !!! (round ball) Also recently picked up a 1863 New Model Army Remington, it pops off really nice with a short 207 grain bulbu

Here are the hollow base .454 175gn

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I need to weigh the conicals I shoot from my 36s. They are from an ancient Lee mold. I was getting 20 grains of 4f behind them.

I had that mold, but it "vanished". ?? Which is weird as I keep all my molds in one place. Anyhow, as I recall it threw a 130 grain bullet, and was quite accurate. 20 grains should move that bullet fast enough, seems that going under 20 grains behind a bullet velocity suffers, the "law" of "diminishing returns'. !! Even in my big old Remington .36 I can only get 23-24 grains under the 140ish grain slugs. So 20 grains under a bullet in the Pocket-Police pistols ain't bad.

But I did like that bullet. Next time you cast up a batch, make some for me. Will trade cash for bullets. !!

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Here are the hollow base .454 175gn

Ahhh...nice and short, I like it. And hollow base. !! How much pixie dust can you cram underneath it??