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I'm back after a long hiatus (the wife had twins, and insisted on buying a house. One job per kid and working from sun up to sun down seems to be a good rule of thumb for keeping a wife and kids housed with full bellies so far, but it leaves little energy for plinking.)

After feeling the shame of too many lazy weekends on the couch, I finally went to take the 1851 out of storage and was pleased at first. No rust and it seemed to pass a simple function check. I took it out to the range, loaded up, aimed at a target, and CLICK. I tried again: CLICK. After thorough inspection, the hammer was falling slowly enough I could see it arc. I ended up needing to pull the trigger and fan the hammer FORWARD to get enough oomph to set off the caps.

After puzzling for a bit, I remembered I had run out of Ballistol and let my hubris and laziness convince me that vegetable oil would be a perfectly serviceable agent for cleaning and storing the gun. And for SHORT TERM cleaning and rust prevention, I was absolutely right. With only a month between range visits, the oil stayed fresh enough to function, and in conjunction with hot water and scrubbing after every shoot, the oil got replaced often enough to do fine. So, I figured, what's the harm in just soaking the parts in Canola and letting it sit in storage? Well, it just so happens that while Canola can work as a cheap short term lubricant, it becomes GLUE after a year. The parts were all perfectly preserved, but ended up all stuck together. What a load of Canola.

I've learned my lesson: the grumpy old dudes were right again. Water to remove fouling, Ballistol to inhibit rust. I won't be getting creative moving forward. Now I'm off to go do a full detail strip and scrub off all the gunk. I'll have the same job to do for the 1849 Pocket.
 
When you gonna post some more videos brother?

You had some pretty great footage of roundball vs conical on a 2 liter that showed the devastation a soft lead ball did vs modernesque lead conical
 
Live and learn. I'm 80 and still learning.

However, I use RIG instead of Ballistol or Vegetable oil. Also, it doesn't stink.
Thank you for that tip. :thumbup:

I know lots of folks love Ballistol. I have used it but after that stuff has been absorbed in a rag the next day the rag smells like barf to me. Not sure why but it does.
Now if I use Ballistol I will use paper towels and those light blue disposable shop towels on a roll then I put them in a plastic grocery bag and take them straight to the outside garbage can.
 
Thank you for that tip. :thumbup:

I know lots of folks love Ballistol. I have used it but after that stuff has been absorbed in a rag the next day the rag smells like barf to me. Not sure why but it does.
Now if I use Ballistol I will use paper towels and those light blue disposable shop towels on a roll then I put them in a plastic grocery bag and take them straight to the outside garbage can.

I can't stand the smell of it when it's fresh.
 
Eeew, licorice! Never been around Ballistol. Never even seen the stuff on a store shelf. 409 is my go to powder solvent followed by a wipe down of recycled A/C compressor oil. No rust and I still have close to a full gallon of the oil. Had it for 18 years.
 
I've never seen it in our local Wally world or in ones in Montana or Nevada. I need to look a little closer, not that I'm gonna buy it.
 
Yeah, I like the stuff. It's not that expensive when you consider it's mixed 1 part Ballistol with 2 parts water. It goes a long way too. I use it on all my BP stuff and carbon steel knives among other things. Smells good.......

I like it. It lasts a long time and is good at what it does.
But nothing LITERALLY melts black powder fouling away like windex with vinegar.
I buy the dollar tree brand
Its 1.25 and called L.A. totally awesome window spray with vinegar formula

My gun cleaner of choice in windex it takes the work outta it
 
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I'm back after a long hiatus (the wife had twins, and insisted on buying a house. One job per kid and working from sun up to sun down seems to be a good rule of thumb for keeping a wife and kids housed with full bellies so far, but it leaves little energy for plinking.)

After feeling the shame of too many lazy weekends on the couch, I finally went to take the 1851 out of storage and was pleased at first. No rust and it seemed to pass a simple function check. I took it out to the range, loaded up, aimed at a target, and CLICK. I tried again: CLICK. After thorough inspection, the hammer was falling slowly enough I could see it arc. I ended up needing to pull the trigger and fan the hammer FORWARD to get enough oomph to set off the caps.

After puzzling for a bit, I remembered I had run out of Ballistol and let my hubris and laziness convince me that vegetable oil would be a perfectly serviceable agent for cleaning and storing the gun. And for SHORT TERM cleaning and rust prevention, I was absolutely right. With only a month between range visits, the oil stayed fresh enough to function, and in conjunction with hot water and scrubbing after every shoot, the oil got replaced often enough to do fine. So, I figured, what's the harm in just soaking the parts in Canola and letting it sit in storage? Well, it just so happens that while Canola can work as a cheap short term lubricant, it becomes GLUE after a year. The parts were all perfectly preserved, but ended up all stuck together. What a load of Canola.

I've learned my lesson: the grumpy old dudes were right again. Water to remove fouling, Ballistol to inhibit rust. I won't be getting creative moving forward. Now I'm off to go do a full detail strip and scrub off all the gunk. I'll have the same job to do for the 1849 Pocket.
Wellll...Showin's better'n tellin'.. BUT, your experience is a cautionary tale for us all. Thanks for the heads up, and hot foot it to your local gun emporium and buy some Hornady One Shot Cleaner and lube. It works a treat! :cool: BTW, congratulations on the babies and new house!😍
 
I like it. It lasts a long time and is good at what it does.
But nothing LITERALLY melts black powder fouling away like windex with vinegar.
I buy the dollar tree brand
Its 1.25 and called L.A. totally awesome window spray with vinegar formula
Doesn’t vinegar remove bluing? That’s how I stripped the blue from my Uberti/stoeger…
 
Doesn’t vinegar remove bluing? That’s how I stripped the blue from my Uberti/stoeger…
It doea but its not on there long enough to starts the process. A quick few sprays through the barrel followed by 1 push of a clean oatchbwill fender your vore spotless.
Try it and see for yourself.
It will take tge chore out of cleaning.
Then ut becomes a dry your parts quickly and keep shooting kind of thing.
 
I always love reading the differing Ballistol comments. I use it for everything and love it and i find the smell more neutral for me. Don't have strong feelings about it either way. But when I do smell it, I associate it to things being clean and well maintained. I use Ballistol's BP emulsion recipe and it is all I need and use to clean my BP rifles.
 
I always love reading the differing Ballistol comments. I use it for everything and love it and i find the smell more neutral for me. Don't have strong feelings about it either way. But when I do smell it, I associate it to things being clean and well maintained. I use Ballistol's BP emulsion recipe and it is all I need and use to clean my BP rifles.

Dad oiled his guns up with 3 in 1 oil when I was growing up until he discovered WD-40. To me guns aren't really clean if they don't smell like 3 in 1 so I use it as a surface wipe down.
 
My 51 Navy is currently inoperative. No rust on any external surfaces or in the cylinder, but the trigger spring got rusty, I forced the hammer back, and it broke. I bought two more a few years ago, then I had to move and where those springs are now I have no idea. I don't want to buy any more until I find the ones I got.

At least you didn't listen to others who said that Pyrodex and other substitutes "don't need to be cleaned"

It was a week later I realized they were wrong.
 
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