Javelin377
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When you fill out a 4473 to purchase a, let's just say, a 10/22; how long does that information stay out there? Meaning how long does XXX agency know that you own said firearm?
Federal law requires the FBI NICS to delete NICS transaction information at the close of their business day....not after ninety days. The exceptions are DELAYED transactions that will be deleted after the status changes to PROCEED. DENIED transactions are kept permanently.45_auto .....Your NICS info that was sent in for the background check is supposed to be destroyed within 90 days....
You got a source for this conspiracy theory?skeeziks "Your NICS info that was sent in for the background check is supposed to be destroyed within 90 days."
But it's not....
Not a source, but how are they able to "trace the gun back to such and such store and find out who the owner is" when guns are used in crimes. I totally believe that they keep the information.You got a source for this conspiracy theory?
They usually get that from the other direction. They go to the mfg with the serial number and see who the retailer was.Not a source, but how are they able to "trace the gun back to such and such store and find out who the owner is" when guns are used in crimes. I totally believe that they keep the information.
You are confusing an FBI NICS background check with a wholly different animal.Dr. SandmanNot a source, but how are they able to "trace the gun back to such and such store and find out who the owner is" when guns are used in crimes. I totally believe that they keep the information.Quote:
You got a source for this conspiracy theory?
Your theory....so YOU need to provide the proof.skeeziks "You got a source for this conspiracy theory?"
No.... you got any proof that they ARE destroyed?
Uh, nope."so the idea that the FBI NICS knows what you are getting is pretty damn funny."
I never said they knew exactly what we were purchasing. But they do know you are trying to purchase a modern firearm.
Proof enough?No.... you got any proof that they ARE destroyed?
Privacy and Security of NICS Information
The privacy and security of the information in the NICS is of great importance. In October 1998, the Attorney General published regulations on the privacy and security of NICS information, including the proper and official use of this information. These regulations are available on the NICS website. Data stored in the NICS is documented federal data and access to that information is restricted to agencies authorized by the FBI. Extensive measures are taken to ensure the security and integrity of the system information and agency use. The NICS is not to be used to establish a federal firearm registry; information about an inquiry resulting in an allowed transfer is destroyed in accordance with NICS regulations. Current destruction of NICS records became effective when a final rule was published by the Department of Justice in The Federal Register, outlining the following changes. Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions prior to the start of the next NICS operational day. If a potential purchaser is delayed or denied a firearm and successfully appeals the decision, the NICS Section cannot retain a record of the overturned appeal. If the record is not able to be updated, the purchaser continues to be denied or delayed, and if that individual appeals the decision, the documentation must be resubmitted on every subsequent purchase. For this reason, the Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request that the NICS maintain information about themselves in the VAF to prevent future denials or extended delays of a firearm transfer. (See VAF Section below.)
Look up the case
National Rifle Association vs. Janet Reno
The FBI admited that they do not destroy nics records in direct violation of several federal laws
There is no such law.Isaac-1 Hmm I wonder how they limit people in border states to a maximum of 2 guns every 5 days if not through NICS.
I'm not confused in the least.skeeziks I guess I shouldn't have confused things for you by inserting the word "Modern."
~ But they do know that you are purchasing a firearm.... Better?
Well, if we're gonna nitpick, the Colt wouldn't require a 4473, being in the "antique" category.They don't know if its a 1890's Colt Single Action Army revolver or an FN FiveSeven pistol..
However, there is no way to use "background information check data" to trace a gun.Not a source, but how are they able to "trace the gun back to such and such store and find out who the owner is" when guns are used in crimes. I totally believe that they keep the information.
What?Hmm I wonder how they limit people in border states to a maximum of 2 guns every 5 days if not through NICS.