My first 4473+FFL experience, what I learned.

[brboyer]

With a Florida Concealed Weapon Permit the FFL calls the FDLE,gives them your id data and within about 15 seconds is given a reference number which allows him to sell you the firearm on the spot and you go home with it the day you bought it. Interestingly the Fla CWP must be issued within 30 days of application if they can't come up with a reason not to issue it. Most are issued in a week or so.

Actually with or without a CWFL, the process is the same. The dealer gets a "Proceed", "Denied", or "Delay" and a transaction number. With a delay, they dealer may release the firearm after three business days, but is not required to do so.

The CWFL only bypasses the waiting period, if any.

And it's actually 90 days for the State to issue the CWFL.

 

[rmodel65]

in GA with the permit no one is called...

 

[Stophel]

When I buy a new gun (which is rare), and they call it in for the check, they also tell them the make, model, caliber, and serial number of the gun. Why would they need that for just a record check?

 

[brboyer]

When I buy a new gun (which is rare), and they call it in for the check, they also tell them the make, model, caliber, and serial number of the gun. Why would they need that for just a record check?

What state? NICS is only permitted to receive Type (Pistol or Rifle)

 

[Airburst]

The one time I had the delay was the first time, I waited four days, didn't hear anything from NICS and delivered the gun, as per the law.

 

[Dokkalfar]

Hmm... I've never had any delay issues with NICS (aside from the hour or so, so i get to check out other firearms and such). But here in TX the only forms I've had was the basic 4473, and then the store has you sign a form stating that you know the store doesnt accept returns or anything, but they will help you ship it to the manufacturer. I need to find a place that lets you try em out before you buy, since no one accepts returns :/

 

[walker944]

My dad bought a couple of handguns from Academy Sports (national sporting goods chain) this past week. Academy has a rediculously painful paperwork and management review of the paperwork review process. It always cracks me up when they tell you to not abbreviate anything...including the state. When you look at the 4473 form there is barely enough room for a two character state abbreviation. Without fail I always pop off a wise crack to the clerk, "So, what if we lived in Massachusets, or Minnesota, or Mississippi, or Louisianna?" There is no way enough room in that little box to spell out those states. I always get a reply, "I never thought of that." I understand they are just following company policy, but come on, a little common sense and some brains isn't too much to ask for, is it?

 

[dogtown tom]

walker944 My dad bought a couple of handguns from Academy Sports (national sporting goods chain) this past week. Academy has a rediculously painful paperwork and management review of the paperwork review process. It always cracks me up when they tell you to not abbreviate anything...including the state. When you look at the 4473 form there is barely enough room for a two character state abbreviation. Without fail I always pop off a wise crack to the clerk, "So, what if we lived in Massachusets, or Minnesota, or Mississippi, or Louisianna?" There is no way enough room in that little box to spell out those states. I always get a reply, "I never thought of that." I understand they are just following company policy, but come on, a little common sense and some brains isn't too much to ask for, is it?

Did you read the instructions to the 4473?
Of course not, and neither did the folks at Academy.

Turn to pg4 of the 4473, right there at the top it says:

Question 2. Current Residence Address: U.S. Postal abbreviations are acceptable. (e.g. St., Rd., Dr., PA, NC, etc.) Address cannot be a post office box. County and Parish are one and the same.

 

[GigaBuist]

-The store may have their own paperwork, in this case it was a form stating that I received a trigger lock or was purchasing a lockable case at the same time.

It's MI state law that a lock be part of the transaction. Not sure if the form is law or just a CYA move, but I've never seen a store not do them.

 

[freakshow10mm]

The bottom of the MSP form says "Compliance: Voluntary".

 

[dogtown tom]

GigaBuist

It's MI state law that a lock be part of the transaction. Not sure if the form is law or just a CYA move, but I've never seen a store not do them.

Federal law: 18 U.S.C. § 922(z)

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/042106-openletter-ffl-child-safety-locks.html

 

[freakshow10mm]

Federal law says handguns. Michigan law says all firearms.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(cv...mcl-28-435&query=on&highlight=safety AND lock

28.435 Sale of firearms by federally licensed firearms dealer; sale of trigger lock or secured container; exceptions; brochure or pamphlet; statement of compliance; notice of liability; action by political subdivision against firearm or ammunition producer prohibited; rights of state attorney general; exceptions; effect of subsections (9) through (11); violation; penalties; definitions.

Sec. 15.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a federally licensed firearms dealer shall not sell a firearm in this state unless the sale includes 1 of the following:

(a) A commercially available trigger lock or other device designed to disable the firearm and prevent the discharge of the firearm.

(b) A commercially available gun case or storage container that can be secured to prevent unauthorized access to the firearm.

 

[MD_Willington]

I learned I need 90 days proof of residency - figures...

I just shredded the last 3 months of paper work stating my physical address...

ugh !!

LOL

 

[NavyLCDR]

I learned I need 90 days proof of residency - figures...

I just shredded the last 3 months of paper work stating my physical address...

ugh !!

LOL

MD_Willington,

You need 90 days residency for what? Your post says you are in Washington... are you an alien living in the US?

If you are in Washington and a citizen of the US, there is no 90 day residency requirement either for the purchase of a firearm nor for the CPL (Concealed Pistol License).

 

[Dokkalfar]

walker, yea, Academy has some weird company policies... I can't buy .22LR ammo there unless I buy a gun with it. Because, for some random reason, they only sell it if you're over 21. Unless you buy the rifle it uses, in which case the manager made an exception. I need to ask some higher-up about that sometime.

 

[MD_Willington]

You need 90 days residency for what? Your post says you are in Washington... are you an alien living in the US?

If you are in Washington and a citizen of the US, there is no 90 day residency requirement either for the purchase of a firearm nor for the CPL (Concealed Pistol License).

I purchased a MN M1938 from Big 5 sporting goods in Moscow Idaho, I'm just across the state line in WA State, I've never had to show proof of residency when I picked up firearms in Lewiston Idaho, and have never been delayed there either. Big 5 does everything by this big list of forms they fill out etcetera and I was delayed 2 hours.

I am a green card holder, have lived in the USA for 9+ years, in 2010 I will get my US citizenship.

 

[Claymore1500]

With all of that said, I can remember "Back in the day" when my father bought a HANDGUN at a local "sears" store, and all he had to sign was the credit card reciept.

 

[Shrevy]

Nope.

Your Form 4473 stays with that FFL for twenty years, after which it may be destroyed. If he ceases business, the FFL is required to ship the 4473's to ATF.

The form 4473 may be destroyed after 20 years, but that information is also recorded in the dealer's "bound-book" which is turned over to the ATF when a dealer goes out of business. The bound-book is not destroyed after any time period. It will be turned over to the ATF eventually.

 

[oneounceload]

I just shredded the last 3 months of paper work stating my physical address...

Copies of pay stubs or utility bills are readily available to cover that