BAD BAD BAD day for my Beretta 390!!!

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No pics of the dog? :) If that barrel is similar to a 391 barrel, I bet everything has to be 100% right for them to stay together; the 391 barrel is pretty thin compared to other shotgun barrels.

Good for you on continuing to hunt w/ another shotgun. Some folks would pack it up after that.
 
The happy happy happy pics are on my phone.

If you look closely you can see that the damage occured right where the machining stopped for the choke. But it almost looks like there is a sleeve in the longer part, behind the choke.

Beretta was very verbal and quick to blame the ammo MFR and I expect that the ammo mfr will most likely do the same. I had a gunsmith look at it and he said it could have been ammo or a metallurgical failure. It's hard to say. I will be calling Beretta again in a few.
 
We're you using a factory full choke with standard steel?
My buddy blew up an 870 doing this. What ammo did you use?
 
390 hasn't been made for quite a while.. I'm guessing you didn't buy it NIB. (New In Box) condition. If that's the case, there is no telling what the previous owner did prior to your acquisition.
 
"We're you using a factory full choke with standard steel?
My buddy blew up an 870 doing this. What ammo did you use? "

I was using a Beretta modified choke. Threads aren't crossed.
I was using Hevi-Shot ammo. #4 shot, 3" shell

No reasonable explanation as to why this happened. No fault of mine I can tell you that. Expensive ammo shouldn't fail and an expensive gun shouldn't either. Beretta swears that they "test" every barrel before it leaves the factory but as we all know, it's not a perfect world and stuff happens.
 
"390 hasn't been made for quite a while.. I'm guessing you didn't buy it NIB. (New In Box) condition. If that's the case, there is no telling what the previous owner did prior to your acquisition. "

Because I was hunting with an older rifle you assume I bought it used? I buy stuff that will last and last thru the years. I'm not one of those guys that buy a new gun every season because they ran 2000 shells thru it.
 
Easy PJ,
Remember when I posted asking you some of the similar questions? Sometimes people don't read entire threads and we have to explain twice. I too asked you if you bought it used or NIB, for the same reason tarosean did. Neither one of us were being accusatory. Just trying to find possible reasons for what happened. We want this thread to stay open. We want to know what the end result is.
 
Because I was hunting with an older rifle you assume I bought it used?


You stated you just acquired it this summer. That's what I based my assumption on..
There is nothing wrong with buying used, the only negative is you rarely have the history of the gun.
Your okay and barrels are cheap, and that's really what matters most.
 
No worries. Yeah, I got it from the guy who bought it NIB. And when I got it you could tell he hardly had run anything through it.

Didn't mean to get pissy, but I'm still pretty peeved. I could understand if this was some cheap off brand gun and cheapo ammo, but neither were.
 
I emailed the pics to Beretta. They cam back instantly saying that they didn't need to see the barrel. That it was an ammo issue and they have seen it happen more than they would like. So the ball is now in ENVIRON-Metal Inc. (the makers of HEVI-Shot)
 
So the ball is now in ENVIRON-Metal Inc. (the makers of HEVI-Shot)

It'll be interesting to see what they say about it. They'll probably echo Beretta and spin the ball right back at them.
 
And the guy at Beretta says "good news is we have lots of those barrels and they aren't expensive. We can get one to you for $400"


WHAT??!! Not expensive?
 
$400? You could buy a match grade rifle barrel for that price....or a couple of pump shotguns.

Glad you're OK. I'm late to the thread, but I, too, am interested to see how this turns out. Best of luck!
 
I had a Hevi Metal wad lodge in my barrel once. I think the shell got wet. Not sure if that helps. Contact Hevi Shot, their service is top notch. Never had luck with Beretta service though. The guy I called was kinda rude.
 
First of all, let's address the issue of the manufacturer:

The firearms manufacturer can tell a LOT from the physical evidence, so don't try second-guessing whether or not they'll be able to tell what happened.

Combine the physical evidence with the known history of the gun, which I'm assuming you gave them the details of, and they'll be able to piece together a reasonable idea of what happened and why.

The "why" may not be a single-point-cause-of-failure, though. However, it's a given that, properly used, no firearm should suffer a catastrophic failure like the one you've indicated. So there is likely one overriding cause.

I'm pretty sure they've got people working for them that have a pretty good understanding of Fracture Mechanics and that those people will be tasked with examining the firearm accordingly.


The ammo manufacturer, however, does not have the hard product evidence that the firearms manufacturer does. It's physically eliminated when you pull the trigger and the round goes off. However, they MAY be able to tell something from the cartridge remains. Less likely, though, than the firearms manufacturer will for a firearm.

BUT knowing the details of the history of the weapon, including the types of ammunition it's used, the chokes installed, and the amounts of ammunition cycled, along with the presumptive care the firearm received betweeen shootings, the ammo manufacturer can make an educated assumption about their ammunition. And knowing the lot number for the ammunition being used at the time is a great help as well. I rather imagine that they track any issues with their ammunition by lot number, and as such a record of firearms related incidents may indeed clue them in to a problem.


BOTTOM LINE:

You should definately contact both companies (as you've already started doing).

The absolute WORSE thing that can happen right now is that both the firearms manufacturer and ammunition manufacturer can tell you that there is nothing they can do for you. That's your worst fear at this point and if this is what happens...well, you're out one nice gun but still happy to be able to count to ten using both hands and both eyes.

HOPEFULLY what will happen is that one (or both) companies make at least a good-faith gesture in your favor, the extent of which will make you happy.


You don't know what will happen until you pursue the companies with your problem. For my own experience, I've had two problems over the last 3-plus decades of shooting, both involved ammunition. One was Winchester .22 WMR, where one cartridge had a creased case and the other was Federal .22 WMR, which had a fantastically noticably hot round that split the case. In both instances, I wrote the ammunition company with the details of my problems. And, in both instances, I got a free box of ammunition from them in response, with a letter apologizing for any inconvenience.
 
I'm still pretty peeved

I can understand being bothered about the shotgun.

Still, IMHO some perspective is in order here - after all, no one got hurt. That's a big deal in my book, having had a similar problem with another firearm once upon a time myself. Not bleeding is a Good Thing!
 
Call the ammo guys and call the shotgun guys. You might get some consideration, doubt it though. Take the shotgun to the gunsmith, chop it down to the next rib post, install sight, cut new threads. Around here that runs about $95.
 
If you think about it for the barrel to split and open up the way that it did the choke also had to split completely open. That indicates a huge build up of pressure in the choke tube at the end of the barrel. No way normal pressure from a load being fired would have split both the tube and the barrel like that.

So the most likely cause is the wad or something else getting lodged in the choke tube and then the second shot driving the pressure up astronomically at the end of the barrel inside the choke tube.

JMHO YMMV
 
Sweet!

It'd be nice to know if they also provided you with any kind of summary of their findings.

However, it could just be that they did this as a good-will gesture for a customer as part of their customer relations. It's amazing what kind of customer satisfaction companies can get in return for such actions.

Sounds like you've been done right! Congratulations!

:)
 
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