Bad news for the children

[Eb1]

All of this panic buying or whatever it is is horrible for the shooting youth.
I can't even take my daughter out to practice rifle shooting because of yahoo's who want to stock up thinking they can fortify a house.
This truly is sick to the sport, and I don't think they get what they are doing to the community.


Rant over.

 

[Reloadron]

What caliber?

I have no clue where you are located but if anywhere near Cleveland, Ohio and all you want is some .22 LR to take a kid shooting I'll give you some. Note I said Give and not sell.

Additionally I am seeing ammunition begin to show up on the shelves of major retailers so things are easing a little here in my area.

Ron

 

[Kristensdaddy]

Many (hopefully most) of the shooting community would give out of our stock
to start a new shooter. I gave a guy 2 boxes of 9mm on Monday morning to shoot out of his new (first handgun) S&W Shield.

I'll give him and his boys a brick of 22 if they want to learn.

 

[TanklessPro]

I'm sorry you can't spend time at the range with your daughter. Sorry to sound cold but my daughters have plenty of ammo to shoot.

I have been buying ammo in bulk for years. There is ammo still to be found at decent prices. I have even passed on 500 round bricks of 22 for less than $30.Why you say? Because I'm good on all of my ammo. As a matter of fact I haven't bought any ammo in over 8 months.

By the way, there was a "shortage" before this one and there will be another after that. When there is not a "shortage", BUY IN BULK.

If you still do not understand, see second line of signature for more details.

 

[Eb1]

I live in Central AR, and there are apparently seven to ten people who hit the local gun shops and ChinaMart daily at 3-7AM to buy all the ammo even when there is a two a day limit.
Which seems is being outright ignored to these gun show dealers. I am about sick of it. I think I am going to start siting in my truck to see if they are selling it off the truck to these people and do some video work.

So this seven to ten people baloney is starting to play thin. It totally sounds like drivers selling it off the truck.

 

[gamestalker]

One of the reasons I started reloading was so I could stock pile the best ammunition obtainable, and save a bunch of money in the process, while not having to rely on manufacturer's. This to has been a difficult task for reloaders who didn't stay well stocked on components, but this has still been a better scenario than relying on factory ammunition by far.
As for 22 lr, my house has always had mega bricks on hand for over 30 years or more.

GS

 

[NELSONs02]

STOP, JUST STOP

If you've started reloading since sandy hook then you're part of the problem. If you're in the gun store every week looking for ammo/supplies then you're part of the problem. If you're willing to pay absurd amounts of $$$ then you're part of the problem. If you're buying items and turning them online to make a profit you should be ashamed of yourself.

I haven't shot a gun, reloaded or bought factory ammo/supplies since Feb and until this <removed> sorts itself out I refuse.

I have plenty of other hobbies I can put my money towards in the meantime. I suggest we all do the same.

 

[beatledog7]

I agree with NELSON. High prices are initiated by sellers but maintained by buyers.

I have been shooting a few times, and I have reloaded a few hundred rounds since SH, but that's because I was well supplied beforehand. Since SH, I have bought only a few 357Sig rounds (from a new shooter who bought them by mistake) and some steel-cased .380 (from a shooter whose gun won't reliably feed them). I have bought zero components, and I won't until this all settles down.

Unquestionably, folks determined to buy regardless of price are the problem now.

 

[mljdeckard]

Short term,yes, long term, I doubt it.

In ten years, when I ask my boys, "remember the spring of 2013 when we couldn't shoot because there was an ammo shortage?", they will probably give me the Homer Simpson blink.

 

[Eb1]

Okay. SO I refuse to buy the mess about truckers not selling off their trucks, and box store managers saying it is seven to ten guys. Also, I REFUSE to believe that LGS cannot get ammo. This is unless truckers are selling it off the truck.
With Lonoke, AR Remington making 6,000,000 rounds of .22 LR a day. Yes, that is six million per the word of mouth from the workers, there should not be a shortage as I am sure Federal, CCI, Winchester, etc are all making that many or more.

As for reloading? I have plenty of supplies for centerfire. Take your pic on caliber. I got it.
Now as far as .22 LR? I have some, and we will shoot it, but I like to take the kids out, and when we go just run by and buy a couple hundred or a brick, and leave the stock alone. Which shouldn't be a problem.
The shortage in 2008 was nothing like this. NOTHING!
I am not new to this game. Which really shouldn't be a game, but as you can see there has to be something more to this than seven to ten guys in towns buying up millions of rounds of ammo.

 

[Sam1911]

I haven't shot a gun, reloaded or bought factory ammo/supplies since Feb and until this <removed> sorts itself out I refuse.

Tell y'all what, I have a secret plan that I really think will work. Now follow me on this:

1) If you didn't set aside some ammo for a rainy day, but want to shoot, find some ammo (there's plenty out there for sale if you look a bit) and pay the price for it.
2) If the money you'd have to trade for that ammo is worth more to you than shooting right now, don't pay the price for it, and so don't shoot.
3) If your daughter wants to shoot, tell her you will pay the money required to make that happen for her right now, and go take her shooting. Or, tell her that you WON'T pay the money required to make that happen right now, and don't take her.

Pretty straightforward and we don't have to get all angry at our fellow shooters and/or small time entrepreneurs.

Funny thing is, it works for all kinds of stuff...

1) If you want to eat caviar, find some caviar (there's plenty out there for sale if you look a bit) and pay the price for it.
2) If the money you'd have to trade for a nice vacation is worth more to you than going on vacation right now, don't pay the price for it, so don't go on vacation.
3) If your daughter wants a pony, tell her you will pay the money required to make that happen for her right now, and go take her riding. Or, tell her that you WON'T pay the money required to make that happen right now, and don't take her.

We are absurdly indignant over this. Stuff happens, prices rise and fall, we have to make hard decisions about priorities sometimes.

 

[Eb1]

Sam, you never cease to amaze me. Are you profiting off this shortage? Also, I have a pretty good grip on raising my children. Thank you very much.

 

[Sam1911]

LOL! I wish. I shoot WAY too much to sell any.

(Even now, though Nelson thinks that makes me part of the problem! )

 

[Eb1]

hahahaha~

 

[DeadFlies]

Nobody needs your logic and reason 'round here Sam. This thread is a rant. It's meant for back-patting and high-fiving. Not unemotional discussion and clear-headed debate.

Sheesh. I'd think a mod would know that.

 

[BSA1]

When I read the title of your post I thought it had something to do with Hillary Clinton and saving the children. Instead it is just another thread complaining about not being able to buy ammo whenever and wherever he wants.

Friend there are plenty of guns, gunpowder and bullets out there at very affordable prices. It's called shooting cap and ball revolvers with black powder and lead bullets. For youngsters a 31 or 36 caliber c & b is easy to shoot and easy on the pocket book. And a heck of a lot more fun.

Well except for whining on Internet about how the ammo shortage is destroying America's youth.

 

[Sam1911]

I get the frustration, really, but honestly there's a LOT of folks out there buying guns and ammo, and it ISN'T just the scalpers, the gougers, the flippers, and other dastardly evil doers. I mean, really, are they going to sell to EACH OTHER?

So folks with money to spend are spending it to buy gun stuff. That's GREAT! The one true tell of what folks care about most deeply is what they choose to spend dwindling reserves of their cash on. So enough people out there in the US care SO MUCH about guns and ammo that they are combining their efforts to buy up all the supply that can be made -- to the tune of quite a few MILLIONS of rounds a day.

(No, seriously, the truck drivers aren't selling it off the truck. Modern inventory control systems would pick that up immediately and drivers would be fired and probably arrested, too.)

While it can be a little annoying that ammo is a bit more expensive than we're used to, that is just an artifact of MILLIONS OF AMERICANS voting with their wallets!

It makes me proud. Even if the micro-scale capitalists drive some folks nuts.

 

[lpsharp88]

While I don't like the shortage and elevated prices, I really can't complain. We live in a capitalist society, love it or hate it. A LGS here in Morehead has consistently had ammo in stock, at pretty good prices. I just picked up 2 boxes of 9mm at $17 a box. They had .45, .40, .357 mag, pretty much anything as well. They even had 5.56/.223 in stock, at slightly higher prices ($10 for a box of 20 ball ammo, and $17 for tracer). Ammo is slowly becoming available and coming down in price, we just gotta be patient

 

[mljdeckard]

One can't deny, the gun industry has had a record year.

 

[TennJed]

Bad news for the children? Seems the gun industry is getting stronger. If you take the time to look past today I see this as a giood thing for the fufure of our children

 

[btg3]

All of this panic buying or whatever it is is horrible for the shooting youth IN MY FAMILY.
I can't even take my daughter out to practice rifle shooting because I FAILED TO MAINTAIN A STOCK OF AMMO, BUT I'LL BLAME the yahoo's who want to stock up thinking they can fortify a house.
IMO, this truly is sick to the sport, and I don't think they get what they are doing to the community BECAUSE IF THAT"S HOW IT AFFECTS ME IT MUST BE AFFECTING EVERYONE ELSE THE SAME WAY.

Rant over.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Sam1911]

I'm often reminded of the old bumper sticker I used to see around Dover AFB: "Jet Noise: The Sound of Freedom."

High ammo costs = the price of a gun-loving society. It'll pass, of course, but this kind of buying trend is the sort of social weather vane that politicos and everyone else take notice of.

And heck, if we have a few years of relative calm and a few thousand of the more dedicated hoarders get tired of sitting on a few dozen extra cases, we can all buy cheap ammo and laugh about the lean times.

 

[Walkalong]

I think it is a waste of time fussing about normal human behavior. I have not bought anything I haven't needed this year. I needed some more 168 Gr match bullets, and finally found some. I needed some RL 15 and was lucky to catch a four pounder in stock. I back ordered another case (10 boxes of 325) of .22 LR in January because I was down to three boxes, which wouldn't last long. I was ready with primers etc, bought during times when they were available to all at good prices. While I am short on a few things, I have plenty to shoot until things get better. I am not upset about anyone buying more than they need right now. Sure, it makes things harder for others in need, but that's life, and human nature.

I am just patiently waiting things out. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I do wish some bolt carrier groups would show up at a decent price.

 

[Rembrandt]

Sounds like someone slept in and got to the train station after it departed......who's fault is that?

I'm not a prophet, but many of us knew shortages would happen again and prepared for it in advance by stocking up.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

We just spent the weekend at the Whittington Center with the grandkids and some of their cousins. There were nine kids total.

We managed to let the kids shoot all they wanted. I donated a couple of bricks I had stashed, along with some of those odd boxes of fifty that seem to breed in the ammo cabinet. My son managed to buy around 1000 rounds for $70 (expensive, yes, but they are HIS kids, and he thought it was worth it), and I think Uncle Bud and Uncle Charlie threw some in also.

We also spent more time on the trap and five stand range than usual, since shotgun ammo is readily available. So, we had an enjoyable weekend and didn't have to whine about ammo at all. It cost us a bit more than usual, but that seems to be the case with everything.

BTW, the Whittington Center ammo case was full, and the prices were reasonable. No reason to not shoot if you live in northern NM or southern Colorado.