Baghdad: What's he carrying?
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Preacherman
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Yep - he's carrying a pistol in a shoulder holster! 
I suspect it's a Beretta M9.
I suspect it's a Beretta M9.
Andrew Rothman
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But...but...but.... I thought shoulder/crossdraw was slower and less effective than strong-side OTB. Is this an Army-sanctioned carry method?
OEF_VET
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Nope, not a stainless steel revolver. It's just an Army-standard, well-worn, M9. Most of the M9's I saw looked something like that one does.
When troops are deployed, the Army doesn't really care how they carry their sidearms.
Frank
Mizzoutiger
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I was wondering what a specialist was doing with an M9 till i noticed the MP armband.
Nightcrawler
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Lot of E4s in my company get the 9mm pistols. Usually, they're like Dozer or C drivers, though. MPs all have 'em, too.
Orion
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Well, It's gonna be awfully hard to draw from a belt holster if you're wearing a protective mask carrier.
Also, if you are standing in a turret it's hard to draw from a hip holster.
Tankers wear shoulder scabbards too.
Also, if you are standing in a turret it's hard to draw from a hip holster.
Tankers wear shoulder scabbards too.
entropy
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M9 in shoulder holster
It's an M9 to be sure, but the holster looks civvie, unless MP's have acess to 'Miami Vice crossdraws' for low profile work. The M12 holster has a shoulder option kit in the supply system, I never tried one, though.
It's an M9 to be sure, but the holster looks civvie, unless MP's have acess to 'Miami Vice crossdraws' for low profile work. The M12 holster has a shoulder option kit in the supply system, I never tried one, though.
Andrew Rothman
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Just to confirm, the M9 is the military name for the 92FS, but they are identical?
My pal in Iraq (a diplomat seconded to the Bremer team) is now thinking about getting himself one.
Hey, anyone have any idea how he would be able to buy one while in-country?
My pal in Iraq (a diplomat seconded to the Bremer team) is now thinking about getting himself one.
Hey, anyone have any idea how he would be able to buy one while in-country?
fix
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He might be able to make contact with one of the contractors over there to get stuff brought in. Some of them rotate back and forth from Iraq to CONUS on a pretty regular basis.
Bravo11
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All tankers carry sidearms in shoulder holsters. That one looks like a civilian holster though.
MuzzleBlast
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You have to remember, this guy is not a cop, he is a soldier (Well, he is an MP, but you know what I mean). As such, he does not have to wait until danger is clear and immediate to draw his weapon. Soldiers don't have to worry about lawsuits.
George Hill
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Remember the image of the troops that caught Saddam?
The Captain had a shoulder rig. Well.. more of a chest carry rig. And it was a 1911 in the holster.
The Captain had a shoulder rig. Well.. more of a chest carry rig. And it was a 1911 in the holster.
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On deployments to 3rd world garden spots, I've seen sidearms carried pretty much every way you can think of, such as:
-Thigh holsters
-LBE holsters
-Shoulder holsters (vertical or cross-draw)
-Holsters attached directly to flak jackets
If the Army has a "standard" way of carrying, nobody seemed to care about it if it wasn't a parade. Thigh holsters were mostly used by scouts and infantry, shoulder holsters by vehicle crews.
And M9 = Beretta 92FS and M11 = SigSauer P228.
Bart Noir
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George, the Colonel's 1911 was cocked, also. The safety strap was not the kind that went between cocked hammer and slide.
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Andrew Rothman
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So my buddy apparently got a pistol. So what the heck is it?
Yes, the medallion is good old Uncle Saddam.
[edit: No, I guess it isn't... See below. It's "a portrait of the medieval Arabic warrior Tariq ibn-Ziyad--who invaded Spain in 711 A.D.--on a silver medallion." Looks gold to me.]
Yes, the medallion is good old Uncle Saddam.
[edit: No, I guess it isn't... See below. It's "a portrait of the medieval Arabic warrior Tariq ibn-Ziyad--who invaded Spain in 711 A.D.--on a silver medallion." Looks gold to me.]
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Andrew Rothman
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"Just to confirm, the M9 is the military name for the 92FS, but they are identical?"
With the exception of the difference in snowman vs 3 dot sight, and finish, they are essentially identical.
"You have to remember, this guy is not a cop, he is a soldier (Well, he is an MP, but you know what I mean). As such, he does not have to wait until danger is clear and immediate to draw his weapon. Soldiers don't have to worry about lawsuits."
Just to clarify, nor do LEO's; this is governed to a degree by agency policy, but officers often draw when a risk is perceived...it does not have to be an in-your-face-imminent threat. As I recall, it was over at AR15 that my comment on this caused a bit of a stir a while ago..I guess a lot of people don't realize just how often we DO draw.....
With the exception of the difference in snowman vs 3 dot sight, and finish, they are essentially identical.
"You have to remember, this guy is not a cop, he is a soldier (Well, he is an MP, but you know what I mean). As such, he does not have to wait until danger is clear and immediate to draw his weapon. Soldiers don't have to worry about lawsuits."
Just to clarify, nor do LEO's; this is governed to a degree by agency policy, but officers often draw when a risk is perceived...it does not have to be an in-your-face-imminent threat. As I recall, it was over at AR15 that my comment on this caused a bit of a stir a while ago..I guess a lot of people don't realize just how often we DO draw.....
entropy
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A copy of the Beretta M1951, whether a Helwan, or locally produced, I'm not sure. Ironically, the M1951 is the pistol the M92 series was developed from. So he's got the predecessor to the M9. Quite a war trophy.
Andrew Rothman
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Thank you very kindly for the information. 9x19mm, then?
WonderNine
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Those poor army guys. I don't wear that much clothing when it's 40 degrees outside....
tommytrauma
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I've tried one. Less than ideal would be the polite description.
csmkersh
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I can't agree with you tommy. I used the M12 with the sholder harness back in 1987 in Germany. Carried a 1911 that way 12 to 18 hours a day. Made a lot more sense that a belt holster.
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