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There is 'no need' for a .50 sniper rifle, says the page.

Since when is NEED a prerequisite for ownership rights of anything


http://www.50caliberterror.com/index2.html

Your safety is at stake because these weapons are so readily available.

.50 Caliber sniper rifles are a terrorist’s dream considering the death and destruction they could inflict.

If you are fed up with gun manufacturers who put profits before homeland security, join our national campaign NOW!

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...actually, they are an equal threat to the terrorists themselves, whoever they may be.

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Mm-Hmm. Terrorists are all about buying massive single shot rifles that are impossible to conceal and hard to transport and fire buck-a-shot ammunition when they can go to any third world country in the Western Universe and buy an AK and a backpack full of ammo for two goats and a chicken.

Right...
 
I can't say much more about this than has been said in the past.

"need" is subjective, the people wanting to take away our freedoms are not qualified to evaluate our needs.

Not a terrorism expert, I do not think targeted sniper attacks are a popular method of terrorism. There is not much a terrorist could do with a .50BMG that he could not do with a .338 Lapua Mag.

IIRC, the DC sniper was pretty successful with only a .223REM

The potential of bigbore long range cartridges is not exclusive to those of .50 caliber. Even if they were banned, and even if the numerous other bigbore long range cartridges were not sufficient, there would be a wildcat cartridge soon to follow, maybe with better ballistics. The antis are going to have to ban everything bigger than .30 caliber to be "successful"

Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda network bought 25 Barrett .50 Caliber sniper rifles in the late 1980s
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So if they are banned, Bin Laden is going to have to quit shopping at the corner gun store and start getting his weapons... gasp... illegally! Better ban the AK-74U, I hear he has one or two of them too.
 
Don't forget - these are the preferred mechanism to take down a Jumbo Jet. It's happened so many times in the past that it's starting to take a toll on our public safety.

Oh, also, I have a bridge for sale if anyone's interested. Lots of traffic, good money maker.
 
I have a serious question on these bans. Are they only going after the .50 bmg (i think thats the full designation)? From what I understand in CA someone slightly modified the 50 cal cartridge, gave it a new designation (.50 dtc), and it was legal. In that case would this just be a feel good ban that only serves to piss people off?
 
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_m9916.htm

Complicated issue:

1. It's a slippery slope attack on firearms in general.

2. The always popular debate on whether any type of weapon should be banned to the general populace. Should a private citizen be able to have a RPG or an atomic bomb?

Saying Since when is NEED a prerequisite for ownership rights of anything

 - really skirts #2. :
Most folk think that the bright line drawn above 50 cal weapons is probably reasonable. Some folks won't and do go for private ownership of heavy stuff.

Flame suit on - let the debate roar. eek:
 
My biggest problem with their wanting to ban it is that the reasons they state in support of a ban are all completely false. What's really scarey is the number of people that will just accept the reasons as truth and add their names to the list.

It's like the Dihydrogen Monoxide ban. How many people have signed those petitions?
 
The "need" argument, when applied to most guns, goes both ways.

It may be true that there is absolutely no need for such a weapon. However, the pure facts point out that there is similarly no need for any ban or restriction on such weapons.

Funny how they fail to point that out.
 
hmmm... they just assume that terrorists are big dumb lugs that want to shoot everyone... if that was the case they could have just bought a bunch of rifles and shot up the planes that hit the towers instead of flying the planes...they want spectacular attacks or else it will just be another 5 line blurb in a newspaper somewhere next to the coupons for tampons or underwear...


I think the term "Franks & Beans" is best for people that write articles regarding banning .50 cal rifles...
 
Haven't priced any .50 BMG lately, have ya?
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ammoman sells 150 rds. for $239 shipped or $1.59 a shot:what:

Yeah well that .50 BMG ban in PRK has worked. We haven't had a terrorist shoot down a plane or through two police cars since they were banned:evil:
 
kungfuhippie said:
ammoman sells 150 rds. for $239 shipped or $1.59 a shot

Yeah well that .50 BMG ban in PRK has worked. We haven't had a terrorist shoot down a plane or through two police cars since they were banned
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:neener: the PRK was real smart putting a ban on the .50 BMG, next thing you know, the .50 DTC has replaced it.

Approximately five years ago due to similar laws in Europe, Mr. Eric Danis, owner of Dan Tec France, of France developed the 510 DTC EUROP .50 caliber cartridge which will be chambered by EDM ARMS in their model 96 and 99 bolt-action “WINDRUNNER” tactical, lightweight, takedown rifles in 2005. The 510 DTC EUROP cartridge was discussed in the 2000-1 FCSA High Power magazine as being comparable to the .50 BMG cartridge for 1000 yard match competition. The 510 DTC EUROP is made by fire forming a .50 BMG case in the 510 DTC EUROP chamber. The 510 DTC EUROP case is .100 of an inch shorter than the .50 BMG case, and has an 18-½ degree shoulder compared to the BMG’s 15-degree shoulder. The 510 DTC EUROP case measures .760 diameter at the top of the shoulder compared to the BMG’s measurement of .715 inch. The 510 DTC EUROP cartridge utilizes a .510-inch diameter projectile such as the Hornady 750 grain A-MAX. The 510 DTC EUROP case has the same volume of powder capacity as the .50 BMG and has 1000-yard accuracy comparable to the BMG. Simply stated, the 510 DTC EUROP is slightly fatter, straighter, steeper, and shorter than the BMG. Importantly, the .50 BMG cartridge will not chamber in the 510 DTC EUROP chamber and conversely, the 510 DTC EUROP will not chamber in the BMG chamber.

The 510 DTC EUROP is California legal and reloading dies and chamber reamers are currently available from several U.S. manufacturers including C-H Tool & Die Co., JGS Precision Tool MFG., and Dave Manson Precision Reamers.

The 510 DTC EUROP cartridge will prove to be invaluable in California and other states where the BMG becomes illegal. EDM ARMS thanks to Mr. Danis for his international contribution!
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Link the the 50 DTC web site: http://www.edmarms.com/products/510dtc.htm
 
Smart enough to elect Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown:banghead:

Yeah, there are many options to bypass the .50 BMG ban. Just like that they were smart enough to list specific firearms and not traits as assault weapons:neener:
 
thanks for your replies

I dont know if these people are really just braindead and are doing what they think is right or if it's just a slick entry campaign for the slippery slope of banning weapons altogether. I would bet the guys at the site are in the same camp anyway. I do appreciate your thoughtful replies as it would be nice to send them a link to this thread, even if only to let them know there are people who disagree, thoughtful people, people who aren't terrorists, people who would actually fight to protect THEIR safety if necessary...
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Mm-Hmm. Terrorists are all about buying massive single shot rifles that are impossible to conceal and hard to transport and fire buck-a-shot ammunition when they can go to any third world country in the Western Universe and buy an AK and a backpack full of ammo for two goats and a chicken.
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Exactly WTH seriously its a terror that we have never seen or will see. The rifle costs way to much and why use a rifle to take an airliner down? I see much better ways than that to take one down and using a hunting rifle could be just as effective.

This is just the anti's way of making a threat where one does not exist. To date no crimes have been commited with a .50BMG.
 
At first, it sounds like a good idea. "Ban those awful, powerful, unnecessary rifles!".
Um, let us look at the facts. There are rounds like the .700 nitro express, .338 Lapua Magnum, and .458 Lott that almost rival the .50 BMG in power.
Also, most .50 BMG rifles weigh around 20 to 30 pounds. Hardly what I would consider an "assault" weapon. Unless you are a moron or a masochist to try and utilize it as one.
Furthermore, most criminals like cheap weapons and most wouldn't have near the skill to effectively use a .50 BMG rifle.
Do we need it? Well, no. Then again, do we need McLaren F1's or Hummer H1's? No.
In reality, these rifles are the domain of firearms hobbyists who go for the extreme long range challenge targetshooting.
Lastly, there will be those people out there that will use them for armed conflict. Surely in some foreign land. My response to that is that people have a right to defend themselves. And ANYTHING can be misused or abused. In this country, the law should be harsh for that misuse.
 
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Yep terrorists are buying $7500 rifles for which ammo is scarce so they can bring down airplanes. It just wouldn't make sense to plop down $200 for an RPG and a bunch of rockets which are a dime a dozen when you can use something much less effective and much more expensive.
Some of these groups go so far beyond ignorance it's frightening.
P.S.- I didn't search very long but is there any contact info for that organization? I have a problem with some of their "FACTS"
 
How about a compromise. They can have the 50 if WE can have 3 round burst! Any takers?
 
Mossberg the whole damn bunch. Extend this pattern to all who don't understand shall not be infringed. They won't be missed. Tell the idiots who support these imbecils to put their donations to better use. Maybe a gun range to help those who want to learn properly.
 
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