Ban the .50

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I just have to roll my eyes when I hear the "Terrorist and .50 cal" nonsense. When has a terrorist on US soil even used a firearm?

Seems to me they have a preference for commandeering aircraft or using improvised explosives to inflict maximum carnage with minimal personnel.

The threat of a terrorist with an AK doesn't really frighten me. I could take him down at 600 yards with what I keep in my vehicle. The though of a terrorist with bio-weapons does frighten me, because then it doesn't matter how many rounds I have for which gun; I will not be able to protect anyone from a deadly virus.

The Anti's are, as usual, barking up the wrong tree.
 
you say the antis are barking up the wrong tree. I have to wonder if it isn't deliberate. I mean, doesn't this sound fishy to you? I can't imagine what their motivation would be, but I always have a hard time imagining the motivation behind evil. At the same time, Why would anyone be that illogical?

In terms of carnage inflicted on a yearly basis, on US soil by criminals, the .22 rimfire makes the .50 bmg look warm and fuzzy. Fully 10% of cops killed in the line of duty (by guns other than their own) are killed with .22 rimfire rifles or handguns. That's per DOJ stats that I found online in a PDF. This is the kind of gun that I'm giving my child for its next birthday.

as for cost, .50 rifles are expensive, 200 lbs of gasoline and ammonium nitrate are cheap, and deadly bacteria are absolutely free.

As for this nonsense about taking down parked airplanes... well.. they're not exactly designed to withstand gunfire. Their normal use necessitates that they be made of light material. I'm confident that 30-06 (a hundred-year old round popular among deer hunters), would get the job done. And I know a 30-06 will shoot through an oilfield/refinery tank, because i have done so with one (it was my tank, not an act of terrorism; just plinking with a bigger beer can).

I can't see this as anything other than a posible attempt to erode the firearm rights that are not eroded by the NFA. that covered things bigger than .50. This would extend it one caliber. What next? 45-70? 30-06? and yet, I don't get the motivation behind it. It's not even, ostensibly, being put forward by govt agencies.

I suspect that some hokey Marvel Comics supervillain is behind this.
 
This is my .50 caliber concern:

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the first time some nut commits murder with a .50 caliber sniper rifle, a brand new and very menacing threat against the Second Amendment will emerge on the political scene. Misuse of a canon like that would be extremely prejudicial against our right to own guns

well, the prob is misuse of ANY weapon is just that. . . this logic can be used to regulate everything right down to a kitchen fork (already suggested in UK).

+1 msgt re: BOX CUTTERS!!!!! HELLO?
 
BTW, your typical enthusiast is a white male, middle aged, with an income over $75,000. Does this sound like a terrorist to you?
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I am guessing by enthusiast you mean a .50 enthusiast. And I just have to take offense here.

I ain't middle aged!

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It would seem to me that there is more "firepower" in a 5 gallon can of gasoline than a .50 cal rifle. However, as in the related thread on "machineguns", I think some upfront honesty applies here too.

The goverment representing the status quo (and that includes their seeded change agent groups as well - yes, those so-called "antis") does not like .50 BMG rifles (and for similar though not identical reasons - all MGs) in private hands because collectively they become significant in a showdown between the state vs a local populous in control of any given area.

This is the crux of the issue. They are potentially effective against lightly armored or unarmored aircraft and vehicles. It is not what "middle-eastern terrorists" might do with them - they are worried about what YOU might be able to do with them with your citizen back to wall.

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So, tell me again how many .50BMGs rifles :what: have been used in criminal activity in the last 5 years? Anyone ever carry a .50BMG rifle:what: ? Besides, isn't a .50BMG caliber :what: weapon a militia weapon that should be available to the people without infringment, much like full autos ought to be available to the people without infringment? :)
 
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I have to wonder if it isn't deliberate. I mean, doesn't this sound fishy to you? I can't imagine what their motivation would be, but I always have a hard time imagining the motivation behind evil. At the same time, Why would anyone be that illogical?
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It IS deliberate.
They are NOT illogical.
Their public arguments are, but THEY are not.
If a hunter goes out to protect us from wolves, and shoots a Jew instead, that may be incompetence. If it happens again tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that - at some point you have to recognize that he is not hunting wolves. HE IS HUNTING JEWS. No matter WHAT he claims his aim is.

WE are the target, not terrorists. And their logic is to pick us off, one at a time, starting with the scariest looking.
The .50 ban is the equivalent of lynching the biggest n****r in town, to appease the Klan, and it paranoid sympathizers. And afterwards, there will always be the NEXT-BIGGEST black man, to scare the bigots with. Until HE gets lynched.

Their GENERAL motivation is bigotry; some people just need to hate. Preferably a target which can be safely attacked. (And places like England have shown how to safely attack gun-owners.) The pleasures of sadism, with the bonus of feeling self-righteous about it. Bigotry is an attractive drug.

Their INDIVIDUAL motivations vary a lot, of course. We have had a thread or two about that.
Some are anti-democratic elitists, like Feinstein - I can own a gun, but you peons can't be trusted.
I think the majority of "anti" opinion stems from inferiority. Anyone who can be trusted with a gun is morally superior to anyone who cannot be trusted. If you feel afraid of guns yourself, you are going to be greatly tempted to hate anyone who is NOT afraid. Unless you can make them go away somehow. Then you will not be inferior anymore. Convince yourself that everyone is just like you, and you are then normal. But you have got to make those gun-owners disappear.
 
If a hunter goes out to protect us from wolves, and shoots a Jew instead
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I wonder if a F&G warden has ever heard that one:neener:
I swear office he looked like a wolf!

BTW I like your arguement, I think if I steal it I change Jew for person so a debating anti has a little more precise of an arguement to digest.
 
I don't need no stinkin' 50 BMG Barrett, but I can't say it better than this......


"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian while on the other hand arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike, but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside....Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..."

Thomas Pain

If Al Quaeda has 'em, shouldn't we?

And, I sorta disagree with ol' Tom. I'm gettin' old, ain't a ninja, not into Kung Fuy, can't toss ninja stars. If all the world were destitute of arms, 250 lb bad guys would rule the streets. As was the adage in the old west, "God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made all men equal."
 
how can you ban .50 wouldnt someone come up with a wildcat cartridge the was .50.0000001 or .49
better than being shot with a .700 nitro express tho lol
 
Glummer wrote: Their GENERAL motivation is bigotry; some people just need to hate. Preferably a target which can be safely attacked. (And places like England have shown how to safely attack gun-owners.) The pleasures of sadism, with the bonus of feeling self-righteous about it. Bigotry is an attractive drug.
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Good point. You may however, be surprised to know that .50 cal rifles are actually legal over here. You have to have one on a license of course and have somewhere approved to shoot it. You can also buy tracer rounds to help sight it in. Very expensive though!

Here is a Steryr Mannlicher for sale in a local gun shop to me : click here
 
Need? Need or not, I already got mine; an AR-50. Need, don't need...doesn't matter. No reason to debate the other side on it. I already own. Too late. Too bad, so sad for the other side.
 
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