steveno
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according to the Greeley Tribune the would be robber was trying to use a water hose attachment as a gun.
http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20050710/NEWS/107100052
http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20050710/NEWS/107100052
Bank robber shot during holdup (CO)
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Coltdriver
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The so called Make My Day law is just plain common sense.
If, as reported) the bullet actually bounced off of the garden hose nozzle and hit the robber it could just have easily bounced down and hit the owners wife (who was on the floor as the robber aimed the nozzle at her threatening to shoot her). That would have been a tragedy.
I am glad it went the right way. Never bring a garden hose to an armed robbery.
I believe that the Colorado self defense laws absolutely keep this kind of crime down here, even with a Denver Metro area exceeding 2 million people now. You most frequently hear of Bank Robbery or a string of neighborhood break ins in nicer neighborhoods, but rarely do you hear of armed robbery of a business and very rarely the home invasion type of robbery.
The laws are a State level defense of your personal property, put into law. And it is respected by the DA's here when something occurs under its area of coverage. This is not a state where a jury would defend the right of a criminal to come into your place of business or your home intent on doing you harm. The DA's won't take a case to court. I don't recall hearing of a self defense killing ever being prosecuted here.
I went to High School with a fellow who had a tough break up with his girl friend when he was about 21. He went storming over to his former girlfriends new boyfriends house with a baseball bat and an overboiled temper. The new boyfriend killed him on the porch with a shotgun. There was no prosecution.
There is no dicing about "has to have entered your house". "must have crossed your door threshold" or anything else. There is no fine line. On your property, in the commission of a felony, you have the right to defend yourself. It sounds utterly logical to me.
If, as reported) the bullet actually bounced off of the garden hose nozzle and hit the robber it could just have easily bounced down and hit the owners wife (who was on the floor as the robber aimed the nozzle at her threatening to shoot her). That would have been a tragedy.
I am glad it went the right way. Never bring a garden hose to an armed robbery.
I believe that the Colorado self defense laws absolutely keep this kind of crime down here, even with a Denver Metro area exceeding 2 million people now. You most frequently hear of Bank Robbery or a string of neighborhood break ins in nicer neighborhoods, but rarely do you hear of armed robbery of a business and very rarely the home invasion type of robbery.
The laws are a State level defense of your personal property, put into law. And it is respected by the DA's here when something occurs under its area of coverage. This is not a state where a jury would defend the right of a criminal to come into your place of business or your home intent on doing you harm. The DA's won't take a case to court. I don't recall hearing of a self defense killing ever being prosecuted here.
I went to High School with a fellow who had a tough break up with his girl friend when he was about 21. He went storming over to his former girlfriends new boyfriends house with a baseball bat and an overboiled temper. The new boyfriend killed him on the porch with a shotgun. There was no prosecution.
There is no dicing about "has to have entered your house". "must have crossed your door threshold" or anything else. There is no fine line. On your property, in the commission of a felony, you have the right to defend yourself. It sounds utterly logical to me.
XLMiguel
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Scumbag robber got shot. Boo hoo (not).
The BG was confronted and told to drop his weapon - he was obviously still a threat to those who confronted him. He got shot. Boo hoo.
Though I understand the reasoning about 'it's just money' and he didn't take your life, but he sure took the part of your life it took to make that money (see "creeping incrementalism"). He was willing to threaten you with deadly force for that money. He got shot for his efforts. Boo hoo. Payback's a bitch. Ya reap what you sow, eh?
The BG was confronted and told to drop his weapon - he was obviously still a threat to those who confronted him. He got shot. Boo hoo.
Though I understand the reasoning about 'it's just money' and he didn't take your life, but he sure took the part of your life it took to make that money (see "creeping incrementalism"). He was willing to threaten you with deadly force for that money. He got shot for his efforts. Boo hoo. Payback's a bitch. Ya reap what you sow, eh?
Real life ain't the movies.
By the time I have to point a gun at another human being it's because I feel there is absolutely no other choice. If, by some amazing set of circumstances the bullet doesn't leave the barrel as soon as my sight picture was right, then he exists purely on the basis of my benevolence and will only continue to exist as long as he can maintain immediate and complete compliance with my commands.
The first command will be to drop his weapon. I will not ask twice nor will I pause to let him consider his options. I will consider refusal to comply or delay in compliance to be equivalent to suicide on his part.
I have a very healthy fear of a person who stares down the barrel of a gun and still won't follow orders. He's either crazy or supremely determined, or perhaps a professional. I'm not good enough to play mind games with someone like that.
By the time I have to point a gun at another human being it's because I feel there is absolutely no other choice. If, by some amazing set of circumstances the bullet doesn't leave the barrel as soon as my sight picture was right, then he exists purely on the basis of my benevolence and will only continue to exist as long as he can maintain immediate and complete compliance with my commands.
The first command will be to drop his weapon. I will not ask twice nor will I pause to let him consider his options. I will consider refusal to comply or delay in compliance to be equivalent to suicide on his part.
I have a very healthy fear of a person who stares down the barrel of a gun and still won't follow orders. He's either crazy or supremely determined, or perhaps a professional. I'm not good enough to play mind games with someone like that.
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Mongo the Mutterer
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JohnKSa +1,000
Well Said, John.
Well Said, John.
Aguila Blanca
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Votes -- the criminals, and their relatives.
Jay Kominek
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You can't convince the population to hand over more cash to be "safe" from criminals, if the criminals are all dead or in jail.
steveno
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iiibdsiil
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Poor baby
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