bar fight bystander and a threatening mix-up

[lawson]

I'm 6'5" and 297 lbs, so I guess I qualify as a "pretty big dude". My car is sort of a beater ('99 Saturn, decently scratched). No dents from the pounding, as the body is dent-resistant polymer. The only damage to my car was from when he kicked out my tail-light. The fact that he is pounding on my car isn't enough to make me want to get out and go to fisticuffs with him and his buddy.

I wasn't concerning myself with the theories and logic behind why two guys would follow me out to my car. Perhaps they thought the distraction of the barfight would provide an opportunity for some easy crime.

Anything else you'd like to know, Rayman?

 

[carterbeauford]

The fact that he is pounding on my car isn't enough to make me want to get out and go to fisticuffs with him and his buddy.

We need more level-headed dudes like you. You were cool, sometimes that's all the situation calls for. Let the animals fight it out, we're human beings.

Though shorter than you, I am a big dude too, and I would have done the same thing. Any bar I partronize has to contain a pretty nice eating establishment too, there are some country bars around here I would not be caught dead in.

 

[rayman]

Cool... They wanted to do you you some bodily harm, (duh) but you're not just a little curious why? I hope they weren't provoked by you in any way while you were exiting. I can now understand the car thing. I've seen guys duke it out for just touching another guys car in a bar parking lot with a shoot out shortly after. I wouldn't loose sleep over a '99 saturn either. I wasn't questioning your tactics. Everyone has their own way of handling their business. There should be some kind of retribution for getting your tail light kicked out though. I guess 6'5" 295 looks small to a couple of drunks.

 

[Elmer Fudd]

I must say, I'm disappointed that the usual pack of HALO-qualified keyboard commandos aren't insulting your manhood, your lack of judgement in not carrying 24/7 regardless, and the wussiness you showed in not flooring it to reverse over the guy behind you and then burning rubber to run over the other perp. Strange, there must be a massive Battlefield 1942 tournament going on online somewhere ...

 

[tepin]

nope. sounds like you did everything right.

 

[Phyphor]

My 2 cents...

...you got away, completely unharmed. Nobody else got hurt (you didn't have to shoot anyone.) The law didn't haul you off to jail. You didn't actually lose anything in a robbery.

Sounds good to me. Had you have actually gotten the gun out or had it on you and pulled it, it might have gone seriously rodeo at that point. Any keyboard commandos calling you chicken is/are both:

1 - Full of it, as they'd likely poop themselves and get beat up
2 - Stupid, given your posted size and weight.

 

[Speer]

You did the right thing. Unless backed into a corner, I'd have gotten the hell out of there, too.

 

[gunsmith]

I am sure Sarah Brady is bitterly dissapointed

No blood in the streets.

 

[ilbob]

The real answer is you went somewhere you knew you should not have been in the first place. If you get yourself hurt visiting such a place, who is really at fault?

But, after a very bad judgement call on what bar to transact business in, you did good to just get up and leave when trouble started.

Personally, I agree with the other poster who thinks there is more to the story than what is being told.

 

[crofrog]

I keep an OC grenade in my car. I think you did everything right, but it defiantly would have been sorta fun to toss that thing out the window as you drove away.

 

[03Shadowbob]

ilbob,
If he gets hurt because he is in a certain place, it is not his fault. It would be the fault of those who hurt him. That's kinda like saying if a girl gets raped because she is dressed in a certain way, she deserves it.
Now, I do agree that if you hang out in dive bars or bad areas of town, you gotta be prepared to protect yourself but I do not feel it someone's fault they got hurt just because they were in a certain area.

 

[NoPhilly]

Kudos to you for your discipline

I would have felt like grabbing my baton from under the seat and breaking a few kneecaps had some moron kicked out my tail lights for no reason.

 

[buck00]

This particular bar was a bit on the seedy side, and many of the patrons reflected this. It's not the type of place I would normally choose to discuss business, but....

What kind of "business" were you discussing? Usually there is a reason people pick seedy places to talk.

Pretty soon after I left I noticed I was being followed through the parking lot by a couple of guys involved in the brawl.

Something doesn't add up here. A raging fighting is going on, and two guys who were invovled decide to suddenly disengage themselves from the brawl and stalk a 6'5" 300 plus guy who was totally innocent and uninvolved?

Did you leave out the part about how you made some comments to these guys before leaving?

 

[Cuda]

Walk away and live to fight another day...


Smart move on your part.


C

 

[lawson]

Buck00:

The business at hand was organizing security for a touring band. The others chose the location. As much as I appreciate you insinuating that I'm some kind of drug dealer or other shady professional, I'm completely legitimate with my business. So please, keep the personal attacks to a minimum.

And I didn't say anything to make them follow me. I don't go around starting fights and making trouble.

 

[RCouch]

It's unfortunate that some of our "High Roaders" can't take the high road and accept Lawson's comments at face value. Why try to read something between the lines when he has plainly stated what happened?

 

[ArfinGreebly]

One Other Thing

I notice that, while you went to a down-tempo bar, you took your own vehicle rather than riding with one of your associates.

Yes. Imagine trying to leave, and you don't have the car keys.

Any time I don't get to pick the venue, I drive myself.

You just never know.

 

[rayman]

It aint about taking "The High Road" brother R Couch. What kind of questions do you think Lawson's lawers would be asking him if it did go sideways. It is all about getting a clear picture of what happened, that's all. What, we're not allowed to ask questions?