Barrel Brake

[dennisH87]

I am considering putting a brake on my Savage 12 in .22-250 and am looking for suggestions on types, makes, or just other general information. I have never used or seen with my own eyes a rifle with a brake on it so i have no experience with brakes what so ever. From searching online it looks like i would prefer a brake with side openings to keep from kicking up dirt. I want to install a brake on my .22-250 becuase while using 60gr v-max bullets infront of varget it kicks considerably harder then the 40gr bullets and makes the bipod jump about 1/2" off the ground (might be an exaggeration but it does jump alot). i want to be able to spot targets after a shot as well. I primarally hunt ground hogs laying in the prone postion with this rifle but do some target shooting/load devolopment with this rifle as well. I have also heard that it increases the noise of the rifle when shooting but does it make it louder from a distance? This rifle is allready incredibly loud and i want to try to minimize the report when heard from a distance. when i shoot at a ground hog i've seen people come out on thier yards and look to see what that loud sound was lol. thats why i was wondering if it makes it louder from a distance or will actually make it quieter at a distance.

Thanks.

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

It'll make it considerably louder, that much you can be sure of.

 

[xring44]

They ARE loud, I can't comment about the sound at a distance, but logic seems that sound, if louder at the source will also be louder at a distance. I do know that the blast on either side of the shooter seems much worse than directly behind him.

 

[dennisH87]

the blast doesnt really matter to me all that much. and yes that does make sense that sound if louder at the muzzle will also be loud at a distance, but in my understanding, the reason they are louder is becuase of the presure escaping is very turbulant due to it being redirected. its kinda like if you open a shaken up 2 liter, once you open the cap it makes a hiss becuase of the presure being released through the cap and spiraling down the threads instead of just coming out the top without any disrubtions. but what i dont understand is does that presure carry through the air like regular sound waves would. becuase, to my understanding which isnt much when it comes to muzzle brakes, the presure is what your hearing that makes it loud, not the actual report of the rifle. If the rifle will indead be much louder at a distance then a muzzle brake is the last thing i want to do. I get comments from my friends/range buddies like "that damn thing is LOUD!" and "Oh my god" haha. i've heard other .22-250's before and for some reason mine is REALLY loud. this is why i wanted a .223 but that one got sold. Is there any other option that would reduce the noise of my rifle short of a suppressor (which would be really cool if it werent illegal) (Indiana)

 

[OMGWTFBBQ]

Sounds are, by definition, waves of pressure change(how close together they are = the frequency of the sound).

And I thought suppressors were legal in IN ?

Either way I'm not sure if a .223 suppressor would be safe to use, and I don't know of anyone who makes a .22-250 suppressor.

 

[dennisH87]

they actually might be legal, but i think you have to pay a tax. somthing like $200. i love the idea of a supressor, but i dont want to pay 200 bucks on top of the price of a supressor. and .22-250's are only barrel burners if you load them to be one. if you keep the velocity down you wont strip out the rifling as fast.

 

[Ol` Joe]

I don`t believe the brakes make a rifle any louder but, they do redirect the sound back at the shooter making it extreamly load to shoot. I`ve a 708 with a Answer System brake and it will clean the shooting bench of anything lighter then a cartridge when fired, and plays all kinds of games with my chrono. The guys at the next bench often will complain when it screws with theirs too. One day soon it`s coming off......

BTW shoot prone with one not designed for it and the dust cloud will bury you. Gets hard on the eyes, even with glasses.

 

[kingjoey]

We make a KA-1830 brake which works extremely well. We use 90deg baffling, not angled ports so it leaves the shooter out of the blast area. They aren't particularily much louder from the shooter's position, but if you're standing next to the shooter it will scare ya. You would need the KA-1822 brake for the .22 bore rifles.

 

[moooose102]

i have looked into mb's for my 45/70. i am still on the fence, but i did come across something you might be interested in checking out. it is called the "Gentry Muzzle Brake" they advertise it as "the quiet muzzle brake". like i said, i am still on the fence, but if i do one, i think it will be this one.

 

[dagger dog]

Vias, seems to be popular with the varmint crowd, installation is by many of the advertised smiths. Pick up a copy of Predator Extreme magazine they have an index in the back of various dealers fo muzzle brakes.

I'm thinking on having one installed on a .223 bbl in 1-12" twist for my Savage 12 FV I like the lighter shorter 40gr ballistic tips,in a max load and don't want to over spin them, looking for the perfect twist.

With the max loads even with the light bullets the recoil pulls the scope off target, and like you stated is nice to be able to see your shot impact!

 

[eliphalet]

Before you ruin your gun, personal opinion, shoot one with a brake some. They are kinda hard to undo if you don't like it..

 

[The Wiry Irishman]

I've heard a lot of good stuff about the brakes JP Rifles makes.

A friend of mine had an AR with their low-mass operating system and one of their Recoil Eliminator tank-style brakes. Although I never got to shoot it, a couple other friends that had never ceased complaining about it, 1) because it was loud and 2) they claimed the recoil impulse actually pushed the gun forward. I don't know how true that is, but they are effective brakes. Check this out:

http://www.jprifles.com/4.1.php
(Watch the video titled "Recoil Management")

They also make a more normal-looking brake they refer to as a "Tactical Compensator." Cheesy name aside, there are also a lot of good reviews of it going around. The one I ordered for my Para Carbine FAL just shipped today. I'll post a range report after I get to shoot with it.

 

[JWarren]

Sounds are, by definition, waves of pressure change(how close together they are = the frequency of the sound).

And I thought suppressors were legal in IN ?

Either way I'm not sure if a .223 suppressor would be safe to use, and I don't know of anyone who makes a .22-250 suppressor.

Brakes do not increase or decrease the actual loudness of the rifle.

They do, however, make it sound louder in the areas where the blast is directed.


They are not-- in any way-- considered a suppressor under NFA restrictions.


-- John

 

[The Wiry Irishman]

Brakes do not increase or decrease the actual loudness of the rifle.

They do, however, make it sound louder in the areas where the blast is directed.

Exactly. Think of it like this: With no muzzle brake, the gasses expelled will be roughly spherical in their expansion, thus the noise the gas makes will radiate equally in every direction. With a muzzle brake, those gasses aren't allowed to expand in every direction, its forced, in the case of most brakes, to the sides. Its the same amount of gas, but expanding in a much smaller area. That makes it seems louder, and maybe even be louder, if you are to the side of it. However, there's still an equal volume of gas, and therefor and equal volume of sound. From far away you won't be able to tell the difference.

 

[dennisH87]

I found one I like. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6905&title=QUICK%20DISCHARGE%20BRAKE
I emailed Fred Moreo from Dephos Ohio at SharpShootersSupply. I wrote a page and a half email asking him questions about his products and services and one setence about if he could instal a brake he didnt make and the response i got back was "He only installs sharpshootersuply brakes." one sentence.... If thats how he deals with customers i dont want him touching my gun. So hes out of the question. Anyone know a good gunsmith in the Fort Wayne, IN area? I dont want to ship my gun, i will just drop it off. anyone have experience with this particular brake?

 

[CBS220]

Try filling your stock with lead shot, if possible.

This will increase the weight, and if you use enough you can watch the impacts.

 

[dennisH87]

my gun already weight in excess of 13 pounds probably so i dont really need anymore weight. its mainly muzzle flip the makes it so i cant see

 

[dennisH87]

i think for now i am just going to save my money for a springfield Armory 1911. I really do appreciate all the help though. a muzzle brake will just have to wait. Thanks guys

 

[VARifleman]

The JP tank brake gets a lot of good reviews from the 3 gun guys.