Barrett bit on Discovery Channel

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I saw it. The goofy Seal didn't know his guns too well. Example- he held up what he said was a .308 cartridge and the standard cartridge used in the AK-47.:scrutiny:
 
Yea, for a former seal he seems to be rather lacking in gun knowledge. I thought the Seals trained, or at least became familiar, with nearly any weapon that might be encountered in combat. I'd love to see some Seal in a firefight trying to get a .308 to work in an AK. I also thought the predator drone bit was corny. I wanted to say to him "No sh*t sherlock, you can't outrun a plane in an SUV in the middle of the desert. My uncle in his Cessna 172 could have kept up with you."
 
On the bit about the stealth submarine, it showed several spec ops guys swimming with weapons after being unloaded via the torpedo port. The guns looked like mp5s, but I am not positive. They didn't look like tehy had a protective casing over them either. Are mp5s "waterproof?"
 
"Are mp5s "waterproof?"

No more than any other gun. But if you watched Mythbusters also last night, then you know it's ok to fire them underwater anyway. :D

Just don't fire a SxS shotgun underwater. :uhoh:
 
The SXS underwater was really impressive.

Whomp! There it WAS!!!

Cracked frame, split buttstock, split barrel, split forearm.

When Mythbusters THEN put the M1 Garand in the trough
to test fire IT underwater, I cried NO, NO. But the Garand
was tougher.

Well, the what caliber for Sharks thread got an answer:
No Gauges for Sharks. At leastunder water.

But this is Barrett bit on Discovery Channel thread.
sorry, my drift. Drift. Water.
 
After seeing the SxS split after being fired underwater, I almost couldn't bare to watch the M1 suffer the same fate.

Fortunately, it happiliy fired under water just fine!

On another note, what about their conclusions that an autoloader can only shoot one shot under water before stovepiping? I have a video buried somewhere on my HDD that shows a Glock being fire multiple times under water.

Oh, and I once shot my Jetfire in the spa. :evil:
 
Shotguns are very low pressure as compared to pistol or rifles. Which is why shells can be made of paper and plastic, with only a brass rim to aid extraction. (the new super-poylmer .223/5.56 NATO notwithstanding…) The steel in shotgun barrels is way thinner, and the wide bore holds and has to move lots more water when it was fired.

It all adds up to "KB!".

I would be surprised if most recoil operated autopistols cycled reliably under water. When the slide and barrel recoil, the slide has to squeeze the air that's around and under the barrel in the dustcover area out through the gaps with the frame and the ejection port etc. The much higher viscosity of water means you get a much lower slide velocity. The pistol they used looked like a SIG-Sauer, and the slide rides inside and outside of the frame, which means the water has less room to escape.

A Glock has a pretty big frame to slide gap, so perhaps the water can squish out of the way easier. However, I've never heard if the Glock would cycle reliably underwater or not. Just that the famed Glock "Underwater striker spring cups" were little gaskets that kept the water out of the firing pin channel so the striker velocity would be high and not have water in the channel slowing it down. Even then, it was a reliability enhancment, not a guarantee. The SEAL or SCUBA commando or whatnot was still supposed to rise out of the water before firing. It was just so they could fire instantly, without waiting for the Glock to drain.

AFAIK, the spring cups weren't meant for underwater "James Bond" SCUBA battles etc.

The Russian APS that fires long, thin, "bullet-darts/flechettes" is another story though. HK made a little proprietary pepperbox multi barreld pistol that shot similar ammunition too.

Every time they said "Salami Rocket" or "Meat Rocket"I just laughed like Beavis & Butthead. I couldn't help it. :evil:
 
I heard one of the mythbuster's say that certain guns like the Glock 17 and SPP can function underwater, at least I think he said SPP, i might be mistaken. Can somebody confirm this? I haven't found very much useful information on the Steyr SPP to determine if it is in fact fully functional underwater.

hmm.. this thread was supposed to be about the Barrett bit on Future Weapons, but everybody seems to be talking about the tank tests on Mythbusters.
Anyhow, back on subject. The ammunition the SEAL was firing at that steel plate was standard ball ammo and it just made some big dents without penetrating, I think modern API or APIT would have pierced right through that with no problem at all. If I could afford one of the Barrett beasties I would definitely invest in a few hundred rounds of APIT ammunition and have one of these http://www.opticsplus.net/TermalNightVision/ThermalWeaponSights mounted to it Instead of the Leupold Mk4.
then of course I would have to be a bajillionaire to afford such things, but it's a nice thought.
Barrett M107 .50BMG $13,000
Elcan Thermal Imaging Scope $12,500
.50BMG APIT round $5.00
Being able to take out an armed intruder from several rooms away..priceless
 
It looked to me like the mount the sig was in "limpwristed" the gun and could very well have been the cause of the ejection failure.

Mr Barrett did seem to like talking himself up....doesn't mean I don't want one though. :D
 
I enjoyed the interview of Barrett and the actual shooting. Not terribly impressed with the show's host.

I am looking forward to next week's episode where they're going to have video footage of Metal Storm!
 
The goofy Seal didn't know his guns too well.

Yea, for a former seal he seems to be rather lacking in gun knowledge.

I agree, the couple of times the show has been on now, I'm always questioning that guy's knowledge. Seems a little too dramatic also, but it is TV and that's what the producers want.

It did appear that one 107 had a stovepipe just before the camera shot cut away during one of the shoots.

With all of the things Mr. Barrett has done to counter the anti-gun agenda and after watching the show. I'm tempted to save up and purchase one of this products. Might take a while though.
 
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