BATF Jack Boot Thuggery: Gun Show Owner, Patrons May File Civil Rights Suit

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Gun Show Owner, Patrons May File Civil Rights Suit
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
September 12, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - The owner of a gun show targeted by federal law enforcement for a half dozen undercover enforcement operations may join with some of his customers in filing a federal class action civil rights lawsuit against the agencies that participated in the operations.

Virginia State Police (VSP) records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Cybercast News Service confirm that the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) conducted "Task Force" undercover surveillance and enforcement operations in connection with six gun shows in Richmond, Va., between July of 2004 and June of 2005. Richmond City and Henrico County, Va., police also assisted in at least some of the events. Steven Elliot, owner of C&E;Gun Shows, noted that all of the shows listed on the VSP records were hosted by his company.

"More people have had their rights violated at my shows than at Annette's show," Elliot said, referring to colleague Annette Gelles, who owns the Showmasters Gun Show, which was the target of another ATF Task Force operation last month.

"They've been pulled over when they left the building and had their guns taken away from them," Elliot continued. "In one case, we had a guy with a valid concealed-carry permit who had his gun confiscated. He had to go to ATF headquarters the next day to pick that gun back up."

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Richmond and Henrico police officers, acting under instructions from ATF agents, conducted "residence checks," going to certain gun buyers' homes to confirm their residence information. Records obtained through another FOIA request of the Henrico County Police Department support the allegation that some officers shared confidential information about gun buyers with their relatives and, possibly, with neighbors.

"There are a whole lot of people now starting to speak up about things that went on and happened to them and some of the stuff that just wasn't right that ATF did, along with other law enforcement people," Elliot said. "Some are starting to talk and some don't want to talk."

The VSP documents also list 43 guns as "confiscated," a figure that Elliot questions.

"How many of those guns stayed confiscated and how many were actually returned to their rightful owners?" Elliot asked. "We know of at least three."

Attorney Richard Gardiner is an expert on federal firearms laws. He previously told Cybercast News Service that the behavior Elliot described would potentially rise to the level of civil rights violations.

"I think you would have an action against the state and local agents or officers for violation of your federal statutory rights," Gardiner said. "You can recover against individual federal agents for violation of your constitutional rights but not your statutory rights."

Elliot and Gelles are seeking co-plaintiffs for a likely lawsuit against all of the law enforcement agencies involved in the ATF Task Force.

"We have talked with a lawyer and we are considering legal action," Elliot said. "I've got some of the best lawyers, I think, that are available for us for this."

The email address, [email protected], has been activated to receive messages from those who believe ATF or other law enforcement officials improperly violated their privacy or tried to discourage them from making lawful firearms purchases at the C&E;shows.

"I'm going to talk to my lawyer, also, within the next week or two to try to get enough people involved in this who think they've had their civil rights violated to file a class action lawsuit," Elliot explained. "If we do it, then I'll have a system in place to turn these people over to our attorney to see if their case is actually valid and justified."

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denfoote is probably right ... but the BATFE keeps this crap up and some day they are going to push someone to "feed the hogs" (which I honestly think is their goal so they can push even MORE police state crap down our throats ... read my sig)
 
As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Richmond and Henrico police officers, acting under instructions from ATF agents.....


Since when do the Richmond and Henrico police departments (or anybody
else) 'take instructions' from the batgoons??

Did they pull a fema and take over as if they were Lords and Masters of all things pertaining to law enforcement?
 
The BEST you are going to achieve is a belated apology after many YEARS of expensive litigation.
I think you are too optimistic. They will never apologize (did they for Ruby Ridge or Waco?). There will be a simple "policy change" for as long as they think they can't get away with changing it back.

I don't trust these guys. Have you noticed?
 
I think all this crap is being done under the mantle of "Project Exile." Since there is money available (Can you say "Homeland Defense" kiddies?) and the bad guys are so elusive, the heat comes down on legitimate gun buyers and gun show attendees--it's so much easier, dontcha know. :fire:

TC
 
Doya 'spoze we could change bATFE's charter just a smidge so it could go after MS-13 for its use of machete's to hack off the limbs of those the gang dislikes. At least it would be doing something useful. Gangs are growing exponentially but bATFE hires locals to work the gang problem.

bATFE needs to be disbanded, its necessary functions should be dispersed to competitent (comparative sense) federal agencies.
 
The BEST you are going to achieve is a belated apology after many YEARS of expensive litigation. By then, the confiscated guns will have been melted down and all records destroyed.

Sad to say, you're probably right. I think we ought to pull the financial plug on the B.A.T.F.E.
 
I sure hope the hammer comes down on BATFE hard for this BS. I'm not holding my breath though.
 
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