Gun Show Owner, Patrons May File Civil Rights Suit

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An undated article from Crosswalk.com (http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1350667.html), but obviously recent:

Gun Show Owner, Patrons May File Civil Rights Suit

Jeff Johnson
Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - The owner of a gun show targeted by federal law enforcement for a half dozen undercover enforcement operations may join with some of his customers in filing a federal class action civil rights lawsuit against the agencies that participated in the operations.

Virginia State Police (VSP) records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Cybercast News Service confirm that the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) conducted "Task Force" undercover surveillance and enforcement operations in connection with six gun shows in Richmond, Va., between July of 2004 and June of 2005. Richmond City and Henrico County, Va., police also assisted in at least some of the events. Steven Elliot, owner of CE Gun Shows, noted that all of the shows listed on the VSP records were hosted by his company.

"More people have had their rights violated at my shows than at Annette's show," Elliot said, referring to colleague Annette Gelles, who owns the Showmasters Gun Show, which was the target of another ATF Task Force operation last month.

"They've been pulled over when they left the building and had their guns taken away from them," Elliot continued. "In one case, we had a guy with a valid concealed-carry permit who had his gun confiscated. He had to go to ATF headquarters the next day to pick that gun back up."

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, Richmond and Henrico police officers, acting under instructions from ATF agents, conducted "residence checks," going to certain gun buyers' homes to confirm their residence information. Records obtained through another FOIA request of the Henrico County Police Department support the allegation that some officers shared confidential information about gun buyers with their relatives and, possibly, with neighbors.

"There are a whole lot of people now starting to speak up about things that went on and happened to them and some of the stuff that just wasn't right that ATF did, along with other law enforcement people," Elliot said. "Some are starting to talk and some don't want to talk."

The VSP documents also list 43 guns as "confiscated," a figure that Elliot questions.

"How many of those guns stayed confiscated and how many were actually returned to their rightful owners?" Elliot asked. "We know of at least three."

Attorney Richard Gardiner is an expert on federal firearms laws. He previously told Cybercast News Service that the behavior Elliot described would potentially rise to the level of civil rights violations.

"I think you would have an action against the state and local agents or officers for violation of your federal statutory rights," Gardiner said. "You can recover against individual federal agents for violation of your constitutional rights but not your statutory rights."

Elliot and Gelles are seeking co-plaintiffs for a likely lawsuit against all of the law enforcement agencies involved in the ATF Task Force.

"We have talked with a lawyer and we are considering legal action," Elliot said. "I've got some of the best lawyers, I think, that are available for us for this."

The email address, [email protected], has been activated to receive messages from those who believe ATF or other law enforcement officials improperly violated their privacy or tried to discourage them from making lawful firearms purchases at the CE shows.

"I'm going to talk to my lawyer, also, within the next week or two to try to get enough people involved in this who think they've had their civil rights violated to file a class action lawsuit," Elliot explained. "If we do it, then I'll have a system in place to turn these people over to our attorney to see if their case is actually valid and justified."
 
"In one case, we had a guy with a valid concealed-carry permit who had his gun confiscated. He had to go to ATF headquarters the next day to pick that gun back up."

Isn't that theft?
 
What a crock

"They've been pulled over when they left the building and had their
guns taken away from them," Elliot continued. "In one case, we had a
guy with a valid concealed-carry permit who had his gun confiscated.
He had to go to ATF headquarters the next day to pick that gun back
up."

:scrutiny:

That's astounding considering that good ol' Steve is the one who confiscates your ammunition when you enter his shows! Before anyone cries about insurance, it's already been checked and there are currently other promoters who don't do this, so don't waste your keystrokes.

so a guy with a permit got disarmed ... C&E gunshows disarms all law abiding citizens....

except law enforcement, of course...
 
Smurfslayer, if he gets his insurance through the Association of Arms Sellers (I believe that is the name) then there is a list of things that they agree to for that insurance. Part of it is the zip ties and unloaded guns only rule.

Sorry, no wasted keystrokes here. Their webpage is out there. And the insurance has pretty reasonable rates too.
 
C&E gun shows disarms all law abiding citizens....
Only if they want to attend the show.
"They've been pulled over when they left the building and had their guns taken away from them,"
Sounds, to me, possibly a violation of a person's civil rights.

IIRC, just the fact that you pull out of a place of business that serves liquor do not give LEO's the right to stop you and check to see if you have been drinking.

Thusly, if you pull out from a gun show, LEOs should have no right to stop you just to check for firearms.
 
chutzpah

Not a comparison, an example of irony. Maybe hypocrisy is a better choice. Seems C&E is crying about the government doing what they practice themselves.

Cry me a river :rolleyes:

Sorry, no wasted keystrokes here. Their webpage is out there. And the insurance has pretty reasonable rates too.

Not to pick nits, but their shows are more expensive than the other VA shows, more restrictive, and staffed by less friendly folks as lamented in other threads here on THR.
 
Oh, I don't care. I've never even been to Virginia. I was just pointing out where they most likely get their liability insurance from, and that it isn't done out of spite, but rather out of $500 for 1 million in liability for a 2 day event.
 
JohnBT said:
One example is voluntary and the other is by force (or force of law.)
Worse... it's "Under Color of Law."

Abusing their authority. The Feds should spend time in prison and BATF's budget for gun show activities slashed the same way CDC's budget for gun studies were zeroed-out a few years ago. Of course, CDC is back at it again, but wasn't that a pleasant few years?

Rick
 
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