BBC coverage of the AK47 - all this week

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The BBC is to host a series of programs on the AK47 rifle this week, obviously from the viewpoint of how terrible these weapons are. The overview for the series and the first article have already been published, and I reproduce them here. I'll add others in the series as they come online during the week.

The overview article is here.

Last Updated: Monday, 5 December 2005, 13:08 GMT

AK-47: iconic weapon

All this week, BBC World Service's The World Today programme is looking at the stories behind one of the world's most iconic weapons, the AK-47, and talking to the people who trade in it, the people who carry it, and the people whose lives have been destroyed by it.

The global trade in small arms is big business - it involves almost 1,250 companies operating in at least 92 countries producing weapons, parts or ammunition.

The most popular, and perhaps the most iconic, of all these weapons is the AK-47 assault rifle. Its distinctive shape and widespread use made it an icon of violence in the 20th Century.

In the film Jackie Brown, gunrunner Ordell Robbie calls the the AK47 "the very best there is... accept no substitutes".

But away from the glamour of the big screen, NGOs lament the deadly toll exacted by small arms.

The Small Arms Survey 2005 suggested small arms were responsible for some 60-90% of direct war deaths, estimated at 100,000 for 2003.

In fact estimates suggest that small arms - defined as weapons that can be carried by an individual either for military or civilian use - are implicated in more than 1,000 deaths every day.

"Small arms cause big losses," Louise Frechette, the UN deputy director-general, has said.

Illicit exports

The AK-47 assault rifle is durable and simple to use. It can fire 600 rounds a minute, with each bullet still potentially lethal at distances of more than a kilometre (2/3 mile).

It is estimated that 70-100 million Kalashnikov rifles - comprising the AK-47 and AK-74 - have been made worldwide, dwarfing the US-made M-16 at seven million.

The US, UK, France, Russia, and China are responsible for 88% of reported conventional arms exports. In the US alone, the small arms trade accounts for a huge $14bn of exports. The figure in the UK is $4.6bn.

But this trade often ends up being illegally exploited.

These lethal weapons are relatively cheap, highly portable, and easily concealable - characteristics that make small arms particularly susceptible to illicit trafficking. They are often sold illegally in exchange for hard currency or goods such as diamonds, drugs, or other contraband.

In all, estimates of the black market trade in small arms range from $2bn to $10bn a year. The charity Oxfam estimates that between 80% and 90% of all illegal small arms start in the sanctioned trade.

The total of all small arms includes pistols, machine guns, grenades, portable anti-tank systems and mortars.

In 2001 the UN launched a Programme of Action to combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms. The programme sets out a series of measures that governments should take internationally, nationally and regionally to control small arms, but it is not legally binding.

In a World Today discussion, defence export consultant Elizabeth Carter commented that there was a lack of awareness about the new measures, and that even weapons manufacturers are confused about, for example, export controls.

Meanwhile, Paul Eavin, director of the arms-control NGO Saferworld, said one of the biggest sources for the illicit arms trade was theft from state and police armeries.

Developed nations also need to recognise their central role in the trade, he said.

"We would certainly argue that from countries like Britain, there are still too many exports taking place to countries like Colombia, Nepal, Saudi Arabia - and those exports shouldn't be taking place."
 
Here is Monday's "feature" article.

Last Updated: Monday, 5 December 2005, 13:13 GMT

AK-47: the Colombian guerrilla

All this week, BBC World Service's The World Today programme is looking at the stories behind one of the world's most iconic weapons, the AK-47. Throughout the week we will be speaking to the people who trade in it, the people who carry it, and the people whose lives have been destroyed by it.

FORMER REBEL, COLOMBIA

Sergio Avendano (we have changed his name for security reasons), 34, was demobilised from the left-wing guerrilla group the Farc two years ago, having been a member for 11 years.

After being in the guerrillas for a year I received an AK-47, and man, after a year, it was a real treat to obtain a weapon. The worst sanction you can submit a guerrilla to is to strip him of his weapon. The first time you consider that you are of use to the revolution is when your weapon is upgraded.

The first time I used my AK-47 was in an attack on the army within days of receiving my weapon.

The unit that we were in was small, with no more than 60 combatants dispersed across a very large area. So we didn't plan long fights because we had neither the ammunition nor men to fight for long, but instead deployed the classic strategy of Che Guevara's guerrilla, who "bites and runs away, bites and runs away".

On that occasion and all the subsequent times when you foresee there will be combat you feel a lot of fear. You know you will have to confront a superior enemy, in terms of men, ammunition and support. So one is always conscious that you may end up "staying there" for good.

In the middle of a confrontation you don't think that the enemy is a human being; that he has a family or that he will be missed. Confrontation is an act of survival - if I don't react the other will kill me.

Man turns into a beast and the enemy becomes an animal one needs to hunt. I haven't had a single nightmare - because the enemy doesn't think that I am a human being either.

There is no war where men do not die and as a commander it's a hard reality to know that a certain number of comrades will die. You must understand that the guerrilla has very strong ties of brotherhood among its men because one lives 24 hours a day among each other.

And even when one is victorious, there is never a fight without sacrifice.

In one fight the army made some grave errors and we managed to corner them between a river and ravine and it was a fight where the soldier was no further than three meters away. As we say over there, a fight of "moustache to moustache".

And it was scary to see the sparks of light as you sat there with the weapon held high above your head so as not to make a bull's eye out of yourself.

That was a very hard fight. We began fighting around 0400 and ended at night. And we managed to gain control of about three army units with a death toll of 86 men.

The next morning as we left the jungle I looked behind towards the site of combat - the jungle is the hardest place of combat. Your eyesight becomes accustomed to the monochromatic landscape of green and brown. It's so intense that when you leave the jungle you need to close your eyes because the sun is blinding.

Anyway, in the jungle a MGL [multiple grenade launcher] doesn't work because in order for it to be effective it needs to be fired at a long distance, and mortars can't go very far. So it really is a gun-on-gun battle. Here, the AK-47 is working at its topmost. Yes, in my time of war I really liked my AK a lot - I still do.
 
The US, UK, France, Russia, and China are responsible for 88% of reported conventional arms exports. In the US alone, the small arms trade accounts for a huge $14bn of exports. The figure in the UK is $4.6bn.

But this trade often ends up being illegally exploited.

It is estimated that 70-100 million Kalashnikov rifles - comprising the AK-47 and AK-74 - have been made worldwide, dwarfing the US-made M-16 at seven million.


Ok, so the US and UK export $28bn in conventional arms and the US, UK, France, Russia and China are responsible for 88% of conventional arms exports. *** does this have to do with the Kalishnakov rife:banghead: ???

It's not like the US, UK and France export them.

It's not like the $28bn in conventional arms are all small arms.

Why don't they just point out that the most succesful small arms export is produced by former soviet bloc countires and leave us the (foul word) out of the equation?
 
Its distinctive shape and widespread use made it an icon of violence in the 20th Century.

the icon of violence... Somthing tells me that we can think of a better suiting icon of violence!

The Small Arms Survey 2005 suggested small arms - meaning personal weapons also including pistols, machine guns, grenades, portable anti-tank systems and mortars - were responsible for some 60-90% of direct war deaths, estimated at 100,000 for 2003.

And estimates suggest small arms are implicated in more than 1,000 deaths every day.

*sticks his head in the ground before these statistics are misinterpreted and quoted* :D
 
The Small Arms Survey 2005 suggested small arms were responsible for some 60-90% of direct war deaths, estimated at 100,000 for 2003.

This runs directly contrary to most military estimations which place small arms well below artillary and arial bombardments in casualties caused in warfare. On the other hand maybe the term "direct war deaths" implies that only "direct-fire" weapons are considered. This would of course make it a deliberatly deceptive statistic and compromises the integrity of the GOVERNMENT AGENCY that compiled the report.
 
Just how many AK-47s do the US, UK and France export?:confused:

So, as AK-47s cause violence, if Leftist guerillas used G3s, instead of Chinese Type 56s, there would be no violence in the Third World?:confused:

How will the BBC get their beloved friends in the People's Republic of China to stop exporting the tens of millions of AKs that they export? Ask them nicely?:confused:
 
Is there anything in there about the well known fact that a rifle is 78 times more likely to murder your family than it is to protect your household and loved ones?
 
I think this series will qualify for the traditional label placed on pornography -- 'no redeeming social value.'
 
I don't know why, but it annoys me that they are treating a terrorist as though he were a retired soldier. Who cares what he thinks of his AK-47.
 
Hkmp5sd said:
I don't know why, but it annoys me that they are treating a terrorist as though he were a retired soldier. Who cares what he thinks of his AK-47.
He IS a retired soldier to the BBC... He is a Communist!
 
Preacherman said:
The BBC is to host a series of programs on the AK47 rifle this week, obviously from the viewpoint of how terrible these weapons are. The overview for the series and the first article have already been published, and I reproduce them here. I'll add others in the series as they come online during the week.

The overview article is here.

Last Updated: Monday, 5 December 2005, 13:08 GMT

AK-47: iconic weapon

All this week, BBC World Service's The World Today programme is looking at the stories behind one of the world's most iconic weapons, the AK-47, and talking to the people who trade in it, the people who carry it, and the people whose lives have been destroyed by it.

The global trade in small arms is big business - it involves almost 1,250 companies operating in at least 92 countries producing weapons, parts or ammunition.

The most popular, and perhaps the most iconic, of all these weapons is the AK-47 assault rifle. Its distinctive shape and widespread use made it an icon of violence in the 20th Century.

In the film Jackie Brown, gunrunner Ordell Robbie calls the the AK47 "the very best there is... accept no substitutes".

actually that's not what Ordell says, the quote is "AK47, when you've got to kill every m*therf*cker in the room, accept no substitute".
now why would they try and PC-up that quote?
 
the people who trade in it, the people who carry it, and the people whose lives have been destroyed by it
No mention, of course, of those whose lives have been greatly improved by it.
It can fire 600 rounds a minute
Not unless you can make it belt-fed.
easily concealable
A mental image: me, on the floor, having fallen off my chair from laughing so hard at such a ridicuolous statement.
The charity Oxfam estimates
Quoting a charity on gun issues?

Pure idiocy. Expect no less.
 
My prediction?

The final episode is focussed on our (American) refusal to sign on board the UN Small Arms program and that all Britain's (and the world's) gun problems (like MA's) would disappear if we could just stop those guns coming in from other places.

I love the implicit racism in:

"We would certainly argue that from countries like Britain, there are still too many exports taking place to countries like Colombia, Nepal, Saudi Arabia - and those exports shouldn't be taking place."

Because, as you know, those wogs are too irresponsible to be given guns. If we'd just left them with only spears in their respective Gardens of Eden think how happy the little savages would be.
 
So it really is a gun-on-gun battle. Here, the AK-47 is working at its topmost. Yes, in my time of war I really liked my AK a lot - I still do.

For once, some truth in the BBC's report. :D I don't care much for FARC's politics but I agree with this guy about the AK.

There is no war where men do not die

Again, words of wisdom. Someone needs to remind the BBC of this fact. They assume all the small arms deaths are unjust or evil, when in fact they may have been the results of civil wars to overthrow a tyrant state.
 
carebear said:
Because, as you know, those wogs are too irresponsible to be given guns. If we'd just left them with only spears in their respective Gardens of Eden think how happy the little savages would be.
I think what they were referring to is that all three of those countries are unstable as in FARC, Maoists and Islamic Terrorists are threatening the survival of those governments/monarchies/oligarchies. Of course by not selling them arms you're probably helping the insurgents a lot more.
 
Or, alternately, by not allowing shipments to the southern Christian and Animist Sudanese we (the "world community") are giving the government and it's Janjaweed allies free rein to terrorize them.

I'd rather arm everybody and let them be responsible for their own destiny. If a government is unable to keep its people satisfied enough that they (the people) allow such idiotic political rebels as Maoists and radical any religionists to prosper that government has more problems than arms sales.
 
Tuesday's article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4500358.stm) focuses on Sierra Leone.

Last Updated: Tuesday, 6 December 2005, 10:50 GMT

AK-47: the Sierra Leone child soldier

In Africa up to 100,000 children are thought to have been involved in armed conflict last year. The AK-47 is the weapon of choice for child soldiers, as it is light and easy to use but can discharge 600 rounds per minute.

Sierra Leone is a country notorious for its use of child soldiers in its 10-year civil war. Both the government and rebels recruited children. Sangeba was recruited by the rebels


I was a small boy, 12 years old, and I was going to school when the rebels captured me and a lot of my friends. They caught my mother and father, and then killed my father in my presence. Then they went with us to the bush to go and train how to fight.

We were called the Small Boys' Unit (SBU). They sent us to go and loot. They trained us how to load and fire guns including the AK-47. Whether attacking the government forces or civilian towns, we would take the guns.

Normally they sent us ahead to go and spy on a place, and then attacked it later. Most of those guns they used were AK-47 because the AK-47 is the most popular gun.

Once they took us to a jungle in Eastern Province, and I saw a lot of guns, mostly AK47s, and some heavy artillery - G3, FN [both rifles] and RPG [rocket-propelled grenades], you know. I panicked because I had never seen such an amount of weapons before.

Our commanders explained to us that they got them from the Liberians, some said they got them from soldiers they killed, and from Guinea.

Our commanders instructed us to fight to defend ourselves. So I was handling my AK-47 with this in mind. I cannot remember how many people I killed. I was not really intending to do so but for the fact that I was holding this weapon to defend myself.

If you don't fight to kill, whether anybody's coming, whether enemy or friend, if they kill you, they or your commander will leave your body there and go.

That is why I defended myself. I killed a lot of people. I feel so bad now that I am in the town, training people for skilled jobs. I feel so discouraged for the fact that I have been killing people, so sad for the lives that I have dislodged. May God have mercy upon me.
 
hahahahaha what kind of journalist uses a movie quote from a fictional character to back up their viewpoint?
 
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