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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SharpDog, Sep 1, 2019.

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  1. SharpDog

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    I guess that’s Antifa with the win? Isn’t that their whole purpose?
     
  3. Casefull

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    Yup. Freedom of speech continues to be an illusion that we pretend we have. It has been this way for a long time, if you don’t fly under the radar you will pay a heavy price.
    Look what happens to our president for speaking his mind.
     
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    Looks like hunting/target firearms in the photo don't see any evil black assault rifles ,the black pistol grip shotgun looks scary . Yes choose your words carefully and keep it shut ,fully agree to fight and defend
     
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    Yea I know I am supposed to be upset at the "horrifying" overreach of the gov.....but frankly, in this particular instance it seems to have worked out pretty well.....

    A guy with a documented history of mental illness, controlled with meds presumably, makes threats repeatedly, has the skills to back those threats up, has a tendency to get easilly agitated, and is , according to his father, is drinking heavily.

    There was an investigation followed by a trip to the VA for an evaluation...which was voluntarily extended by the guy.......

    Seems like in this particular instance, a guy who appeared to be on the edge got the help he needed
     
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    The first problem I had was the “self defense” part and lack of a direct quote. So, I went and looked for the direct quote that action was taken upon.

    That may or may not lead to a legitimate self defense case.

    In any case everyone knows you are in a better offensive position if the defense doesn’t know your plan.

    So, yeah this an other things like “trespassers are shot, survivors are shot again” signs and such are never a good idea.

    That said, what did you expect from these new laws?
     
  7. Duster340

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    Unfortunately with all the slaughtering and killing going on these days, even joking about it can get one in deep do do. Be it a Marine or otherwise, It seems that an abundance of caution is not necessarily out of order. Better safe than sorry.

    Certainly a slippery slope though.
     
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    It would have been far preferable to say nothing, or perhaps, "We remain prepared to respond appropriately should these masked fascists resort to violence."
     
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    I’d love to side with this guy but there’s two ways you win a real fight.

    1. A surprise attack that the opponent doesn’t see coming.

    2. Overwhelming force or firepower that your opponent can’t defend against.

    He should have just kept his mouth shut. He would have been fine until he stated he had a plan on exactly how he was going to take them out.
     
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    Words have consequences. Brings to mind a classic Ron White line: "I had the right to remain silent, but I did not have the ability."
     
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    I disagree with better safe than sorry.
    Detain the person, not steal his property...
    It would be proper protocol to arrest someone for suspicion. There is no access to firearms if you are being detained.
    Make it so the person had to be evaluated within the time frame of detention without charges. Decide if it's legit and move on to releasing or pressing charges.
     
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    Considering the statements he made and the fact that he was heavily drinking alcohol while taking medications for mental problems, I think they made the right decision.

    Kohfield told Crenshaw that Congress needed to take immediate steps to declare antifa a terrorist organization. Otherwise, he and other veterans would have no choice but to begin systematically killing antifa members “until we have achieved genocide.”

    “I figured that the key to de-escalating the situation was to not be the most violent person in the room,” he said. “It was to be the scariest person in the room.”

    Doesn't sound like a stable person to me. I'm no fan of the Red Flag Laws and definitely recognize the chance of abuse of this power, but in this case I think it is was a prudent action.
     
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    My general rule is I don’t make jokes about killing or shooting, or statements about willingness to kill to protect one’s self, or any more colorful variants of these themes. I am an open supporter of the 2A, but leave it at that.

    Red flag laws are crap, but discretion is a good thing.
     
  14. George P

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    So no freedom of speech and no due process, just strong-arm confiscation without cause - wonderful. When are they going to take away the guns of those who want to kill POTUS?
     
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    I hear you, and don't disagree with that point of view. Some crazy friggin times we find ourselves in.

    Be well
     
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    Violation of freedom of speech? I think so. Even without legal ramifications, though, being a tool doesn’t usually work out the way you hope...
     
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    Guess this ain’t a two way street... go figure.
     
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    Don't talk, act.
    Talking will get you in more trouble than acting.
     
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    Seems pretty strange that people say stupid things when drunk </sarcasm>
     
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    How do you know he was drunk when he made those statements. If he had killed some people when drunk, would that mitigate the act?
     
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    Making threats
    History of behavioral problems and disorders that can predict violence
    Accumulating weapons

    That’s close enough to our limited sets of valid predictors to make this a reasonable action.
     
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    On the other hand, it amounts to prior restraint of a lot of politically incorrect but not specifically threatening remarks. I have submitted myself.
     
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    Isn't that also what antifa is doing? Yet no arrests there.
     
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    Hopefully right away if there were such folk.
     
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    This not a so is your mom evaluation. Let’s not be so cognitively low level in our analysis. If an individual of any political orientation acted like this, it would be a good call.
     
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