Be careful when buying 45 acp brass online

[TheTodd]

Well after about 1 1/2 hours later I have deprimed and sized the mil. brass. Now it's time to de crimp them. I pulled the Dillon handle over 700 times and no finished bullet yet. I think that is why I bought a Dillon in the first place. Too many extra pulls on the handle to make a bullet. I should have sent the d++n things back and got a refund. Buyers beware!!!

 

[mdi]

Hmmm. Moxie s the first reloader I've heard of that doesn't remove military primer crimps, just forces a primer passed the crimp. I'm certain it works for him, and he gets good results, but I have ruined some primers when I missed a mil spec. case with primer crimp intact (using either a Lee hand primer, Hornady hand primer, or ram prime tool)...

(45 ACP, 9mm, 30-06, 7.62 once fired military brass)

 

[PO2Hammer]

I buy small primer .45 brass, then I know I'm getting Federal and Blazer. I stash the Federal for a rainy day and load the Blazer.

Then I can concentrate my limited funds on buying small primers for my .45 and my .357. Trying to build up a little before they start taxing reloading supplies.

 

[moxie]

Hmmm. Moxie s the first reloader I've heard of that doesn't remove military primer crimps, just forces a primer passed the crimp. I'm certain it works for him, and he gets good results, but I have ruined some primers when I missed a mil spec. case with primer crimp intact (using either a Lee hand primer, Hornady hand primer, or ram prime tool)...

(45 ACP, 9mm, 30-06, 7.62 once fired military brass)

It's all in the wrist! No forcing needed. Wouldn't do that! They just slip right in.

Works on 9mm too. But, again, not rifle.

 

[Mad Chemist]

Moxie,
I think this might depend on the age of the brass.

I broke my Lee Autoprime trying to do what you describe. I have a decent stash of 9x19 WCC brass with 86 and 87 marks. I was able to get primers in sometimes. Other times the primer would get flattened and crushed. This was with both Win SPP and CCI 500. After too many attempts with my Autoprime the plastic portion around the seating pin became deformed. The grip also fell apart. I eventually just started reaming the crimps out.

I have a Lee Turret that has the little lever arm that permits on the press priming. It also offers a lot of mechanical advantage to the priming action. I could occasionally crush one into the pocket but usually the end product was not seated flush and I wound up decapping and reaming the pockets.

I think it's possible that different lots of .mil brass are crimped a little differently. I tried many times with some of the same exact equipment you used. Others have as well. Some of us have considerable experience too. I don't discount what you have witnessed but I think your experience may only be part of the whole story.

 

[ReloaderFred]

I think this whole thread is pretty much useless. This subject has been discussed over and over again in many, many threads in the near and distant past.

Everybody's experience is different, and their expectations are different. If they weren't, we'd all be wearing the same color and style uniforms and driving the same color and brand of vehicle...........

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[entropy]

I pick mine up on the range, so it's a mix, and I expect that. For the price, if I have to de-crimp some, and separate the lg. & sm. pockets, It's well worth it.

 

[mdi]

Well, Reloaderfred, telling folks their conversation is worthless just because you heard it before is certainly of no use or help to/for any forum, and kinda insulting...

jes sayin'

 

[moxie]

I think this whole thread is pretty much useless. This subject has been discussed over and over again in many, many threads in the near and distant past.

Everybody's experience is different, and their expectations are different. If they weren't, we'd all be wearing the same color and style uniforms and driving the same color and brand of vehicle...........

Hope this helps.

Fred

Well, Fred, that is very helpful and decent of you. Thank you so very much in a special High Road sort of way. And you be sure to have a super nice day.

 

[TheTodd]

Well, I'm done with the cases. It took 2 hours to decrimp the 700 cases. That is 3 1/2 hours of extra work so I could reload them. All of the brass sellers said that time is money. I will ask next time how many military cases are in the next batch that I buy. If it's more that 5 I will tell him to eat them. If you are selling brass you should separate them so people can get what they want. If I have to buy military pistol brass I will Subtract my labor for decrimping them. I would give $20 shipped for 1000. Give people what they want and not what you want.

 

[tallpaul]

well Todd you are a whiney lil feller aren't you?
You do have a responsibility to ASK if you are not sure of what you are purchasing... unless your seller told you differently range pick up is pretty much what you got- there was no rip off or nefarious action. You need to make sure of what you are buying- it is noit the responsibility of the seller to hold your hand through out the process nor is it their job to answer questions you do not or did not ask!

Quit trying to pass blame on something you did!

 

[newfalguy101]

Well, I'm done with the cases. It took 2 hours to decrimp the 700 cases. That is 3 1/2 hours of extra work so I could reload them. All of the brass sellers said that time is money. I will ask next time how many military cases are in the next batch that I buy. If it's more that 5 I will tell him to eat them. If you are selling brass you should separate them so people can get what they want. If I have to buy military pistol brass I will Subtract my labor for decrimping them. I would give $20 shipped for 1000. Give people what they want and not what you want.

People want to spend the least amount of money they can, and I, as a seller, want to make money.

I label my brass as follows:

New
Guaranteed once fired
Range brass

I sell more range brass than the two others combined, and I tell people ( on .45 ACP ) Mixed headstamps, mixed primers...........I can only think of a couple of buyers who passed.

I sell what makes money, if somebody wants to pay for all one headstamp, fine, BUT, they are gonna pay for my time, which is going to double the price.

In short, I DO sell what people want, as my sales can attest to, along with multiple repeat buyers.

 

[Reefinmike]

Well after about 1 1/2 hours later I have deprimed and sized the mil. brass. Now it's time to de crimp them. I pulled the Dillon handle over 700 times and no finished bullet yet. I think that is why I bought a Dillon in the first place. Too many extra pulls on the handle to make a bullet. I should have sent the d++n things back and got a refund. Buyers beware!!!

You might as well just sell your loading stuff and buy some cheap steel case ammo. A primer crimp is no big deal and something you will have to deal with on several calibers. Buy a ch4d primer pocket swage kit for $35. Its a very convenient tool to have around. Remove the crimp once and its done. Your brass will last you well over 20 loadings. In the long run, it's hardly a chore when compared to loading bottleneck cases where need to check brass after every firing and trim when needed.

 

[TheTodd]

I'm not whining. Read the Heading. I'm trying to let people know that they should ask questions before they buy. I myself and 99% of they people looking brass would rather see what they are buying. But here on the Internet you don't see what you're buying. Some brass sellers are very trustworthy and some are shady. I hope my F**ked up experience will enlighted a whole lot of people when buying something you cannot see. Ask questions and if it isn't what you want, walk away. Pistol brass reloading should be : clean brass, check brass and start reloading. Not working half a day just to get started to reload. That's rifle brass reloading. If you can't tell people the truth without them asking, you don't need to sell anything.

 

[mdi]

Well, Todd, all I can say about your "experience" is Caveat emptor! I have purchased "once fired" (aka used) brass from mebbe 4 or 5 different vendors, no major problems, no shady dealers. The only "enlightenment" I've gotten outta this thread is some folks should only use new, virgin brass....

FYI; depriming is part of reloading...

 

[Walkalong]

That's enough fellers.