You have good taste. The made of Sears AyA 100 was excellent shotgun often justifiably called affordable Winchester Mod 21. Did you end up with the 20br Sterlingworth ejector from Greentop Sporting Goods? It was rare gun and it did not last long in the class cabinet.I think I've looked at the gun you're talking about.I've come close to buying it a time or two. Nice looking gun I think. It reminded me of a Sears/AYA 20 ga I used to have that was a nice gun and a good shooter.
I think they've got it tagged a little high, but it's been hanging around there for a while. Make 'em an offer. Worst thing they can say is "no."
I haven't found 16 ga shells to be any more expensive than others, at least not "field load" type shells. Wal-Mart might not stock them, but most gun stores do.
I've got a gun on layaway there now. If it's still hanging around when I get that one paid off, I'll have to think about it again. Please buy it so I won't have to.
Beating my head against the wall in search of a SxS
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i bet you have and it was tagged extremely high at $499 along with a pitted old ithica. they have it on sale for $349 right now and they wont go much lower. i was up there sun looking at it but they jack holes wouldnt cut the ziptie for me to inspect the bores. i emailed them a nasty letter knocked the price down and said i could come back and be waited on hand and foot but that was the absolute best they could do in price as they had too much into it. it felt really good on the shoulder but i would have to drive back up 1.5 hours. hence why im so torn. yeah 16ga isnt too bad. i have a pump and 15 boxes of shells at the house. last time i bought some they were around $11 a box for game loads and $16 for rem long range
honestly ive been looking at the bobwhite in 20ga hard now. i mean i really dont need another shotgun or a 20ga for that matter. i have a 410 bolt for squirrel medicine, a 20ga pump (dont shoot much as im not a pump fan but it was my dads so im keeping it) a 20ga o/u that the little lady loves to shoot so in dove season im out a shotgun so id have to use my pump or one of the 5 12ga's that i have. i really enjoy upland bird hunting with guns smaller than 12 so im really wanting something else even though i dont really need it. i mean we cant have too many guns right?
honestly ive been looking at the bobwhite in 20ga hard now. i mean i really dont need another shotgun or a 20ga for that matter. i have a 410 bolt for squirrel medicine, a 20ga pump (dont shoot much as im not a pump fan but it was my dads so im keeping it) a 20ga o/u that the little lady loves to shoot so in dove season im out a shotgun so id have to use my pump or one of the 5 12ga's that i have. i really enjoy upland bird hunting with guns smaller than 12 so im really wanting something else even though i dont really need it. i mean we cant have too many guns right?
Come to think of it. There is a dealer in Norfolk, Virginia Beach area that has fine selection of Swedish doubles. Last year at VAB Colosseum show he had Model 350 12ga in very good condition for only $450. There is no going wrong with 'Keeper Grade' Husqvarna SxS shotgun! For example, the 350 is superior to the American Fox-Sterlinworth at < half of price. The 350 series action was used on some 9,3x74 and 8x57JRS rifles (290MPa and 300MPa) so there is no questioning it's superior strength. Just to give perspective the Pmax for 2&3/4" shotgun game load is < or = just 65MPa. If I recall name of the dealer I will post it.
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so yeah im really torn here. the davidson does look alot like an aya. some say run some say i was looking at that myself lol. im doomed
There is good reason they look alike as both actions are copies of design by Messrs Anson & Deely (then of Westley Richards). When in doubt choose Aguirre and Aranzabal as there is less chance of ending up with a clunker. Is Dickson to Dickson & MacNaughton what W. Richards (POS Belgian clunkers) was to Westley Richards? Not sure, but I would not want that to turn out to be the case!
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Dickson and Son is Scottish, Dickinson is an importer of well-made Turkish guns (the former S&W Elite Gold) - both are true trigger plate round actions - the former, even from 100 years ago, will run you well into the 5 digit range, the latter about $1600
I remember when old "Crybabies" complained about wonderful Ruger Gold Label not having
case coloring, double triggers, 16ga chambering,...... I send all of them to daughter of David McKay-Brown to place an order for fine round action gun built to customer specs. When they asked how much being swell fella I recommended Winchester Model 24 instead.
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DMB DOES build a great gun, but you also have to pay him for his skill.........
The 32" DT 8lb 'High Pheasant' or 'Tall Pheasant' Vertical gun is very much in vogue now. A
MaC-Perrazi of sorts. The special ammo is 2&3/4 shell in paper case with fiber wad and soft shot. Me thinks we should all be using Walmart promo loads for our upland needs.
MaC-Perrazi of sorts. The special ammo is 2&3/4 shell in paper case with fiber wad and soft shot. Me thinks we should all be using Walmart promo loads for our upland needs.
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LOL
I for one wanted a GL, to bad they couldn't debug it and mass produce them.
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well cajun worry no more. a final look at her and a bore inspection and she is mine. i really fell it love with the old gal. a little kroil and 0000 steel wool and some flitz for nickel on the receiver. Still has her character with a whole lot more luster. Still going to look for my 20 or 28ga but heck i felt it was worth it at $300
I've shot a number of much higher-end guns, but the side-by-side that fits me like a glove and is the quickest and deadliest in my hands is a simple old Savage Fox Model B in 20 gauge. Like this one: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=360797879
Proper fitment of a shotgun is of paramount importance, IME, and this old gun is pointing exactly where I'm looking when I snap it to my shoulder. More so than any other gun I've fired with the exception of my Remington 3200.
Proper fitment of a shotgun is of paramount importance, IME, and this old gun is pointing exactly where I'm looking when I snap it to my shoulder. More so than any other gun I've fired with the exception of my Remington 3200.
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Turbo - if that fits and works for you, go for it - I have the little more upscale BSE version and after I tried many other guns over the years, mine sits in the safe collecting dust. The S&W Elite I picked up a few years ago when they first got discounted has been like a wand compared to the Savage - crisp triggers, not gritty, 6.4#, not almost 7, 28 vs 26 inch barrels, NO automatic safety (YEAH!), double triggers and an English stock for ease of use and no uber-wide beavertail forearm. For the weight of the Savage, I could have been carrying an AyA in 12 gauge and still been lighter - a nice feature when I lived out West climbing shale and rocky slopes after the wily Chukar.
But that is me and if yours truly does fit you that well, stick with it and enjoy - though DO watch as your lever gets closer to center as mine started to pop open upon firing and some delicate parts are inside that needed to be reworked and replaced
But that is me and if yours truly does fit you that well, stick with it and enjoy - though DO watch as your lever gets closer to center as mine started to pop open upon firing and some delicate parts are inside that needed to be reworked and replaced
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i own several 16ga shotguns,but this fox sterlingworth with factory 2-3/4 chambers is my favorite. it is a little tight on the chokes,but by useing 1oz #4,s in the mod barrel and 1oz #6,s in the full barrel it,s liveable.this shotgun is just a regular field gun that was used for many years afield and was taken care of,its tight on face with ex wood and bores. eastbank.
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eastbank, you can always have someone like NECG or even Briley just open them up a little. Even CSMC will do that, as will Dale Tate in Ione and a few others I know
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Here's the Davidson's 63b 16ga
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Nice! Is it on a 16 frame?
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i think it just might be. i put it on a digital scale and it weighed in at 6lb 5oz. it cleaned up wonderfully with some 0000 steel wool w/ kroil for the barrels and some flitz on the nickel receiver. i can look at a spot and close my eyes, mount the gun and open my eyes and its pointing where i was looking/ still am. I think thats why i couldnt get her out of my head, it just fits me so well
Based upon owning both, I found the B-SE, as similar as it appears to the Model B, is substantially inferior to the Model B. I first learned that I loved the Model B by shooting a good buddy's gun some and it just fit me perfectly and I could shoot outstandingly well with it -- better than my 1100, Model 11, my 870, or anything else I'd shot to date. I couldn't find a B, so I bought a new B-SE. I thought it MUST be better, right? People thought they were "upscale" even back in the 70s -- they sold for more $, had more features, and were promoted more, etc. I kept it about a year, sold it and bought the much superior Model B which I found used. The B just feels better better and a lot more solid in operation, better/crisper triggers, and no weak-design ejectors to fail. Plus, I like the double triggers better. My B-SE felt like a cheap gun with border-line construction. My B feels solid. Nothing fancy, just a solid, functional gun. I probably have only about 4K rounds through it, but it's never shown any sign of wear or any problems. My friends's probably has almost twice that many rounds through it. I like the wide forearm in a 20-gauge, but they are too wide for me in a 12.
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I really like S&S's, and i like 16ga. too, as long as it's on a 20ga. frame size. My father hunted with a 16ga., and i saw him make many doubles with his Rem. auto and a few tripples too.
Anyway, i do like a quality shotgun and here's my Krieghoff,
It's been stocked to fit ME, and it's a joy to handle and shoot. It's only 78 years old, and still going strong!
DM
Anyway, i do like a quality shotgun and here's my Krieghoff,
It's been stocked to fit ME, and it's a joy to handle and shoot. It's only 78 years old, and still going strong!
DM
Beautiful gun! And even better that it's built to fit. The part about fitting YOU is overlooked, or not understood, far, far too often when people are shopping for shotguns. IME, having a gun that FITS and properly points exactly where you are looking when you bring it to your shoulder -- makes a huge difference in how good a shooter you will be in many situations. For those who can't or won't spend the money to have a shotgun fitted to them (which includes the huge majority of us), the next best thing is to find an available gun that FITS instead of finding one that has cool technology, a cool paint job, nice marketing literature, or what not.
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im really loving the feel of this old gal. the slim wrist makes it feel so nice.
Wish I could find one of those with plain rib, rear pop-up blade and most importantly useful rifle barrel like: .30-30, .30-40Kraig, 7x57R, 7x65R,...... instead of "7,8 or 8,9xchamber cast". Last good one I should have bought showed up several years ago.I really like S&S's, and i like 16ga. too, as long as it's on a 20ga. frame size. My father hunted with a 16ga., and i saw him make many doubles with his Rem. auto and a few tripples too.
Anyway, i do like a quality shotgun and here's my Krieghoff,
It's been stocked to fit ME, and it's a joy to handle and shoot. It's only 78 years old, and still going strong!
DM
It was .30-40Kraig SxS rifle made by little known but very well regarded (by those who actually know something) Belgian maker Le Forgeron.Gee last good vintage Krieghoff I have seen was anchor trade-marked magnum Mauser elephant gun chambered for the .500 rimless nitro-express (German version of .500Jeffrey if I recall correctly). I had zero reason to buy 500+grains at 2200fps.
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I can't see anything wrong with the 8mm... Works perfectly with light or heavy loads... Most can be used with common .323" bullets, and there's plenty of those around.
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