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[22-rimfire]

The way I see it, the anti-gun people can't have it both ways. They want the security of a gun, but condemn you for owning one. The 2005 hurricanes brought to the forefront the issue that police can not protect you. Many liberals are coming around to this concept. With regard to anti-gun girl friends, dump them; there are far to many fish in the sea to have to put up with that cr*p. Think about having to put up with that married to one.

 

[JMusic]

Get you a Southern Belle!

 

[Rexrider]

Welcome aboard! You did know the new guy buys the ammo right?

I never had a girl break up with me over guns but have always prepared for it to happen. My hobby was always brought up early on so we did not waste each other's time.

What I have found out over the years is sometimes there is a pro-gun person trapped inside an anti's body. What I mean is I have encountered women who said they were anti-gun because they did not know any better and were basically programmed (for lack of a better word) to be anti-gun.

I have also found out that if you can get a so-called anti-gun person to the range and fire just one round.... they are no longer anti gun. This has happened with two ex-girlfriends and my present day wife.

So always give someone a chance. If they refuse and hold their ground, then it is time to go.

It sounds like you never had a chance anyway. Always better to know as soon as possible. Besides, nothing worse then seeing the "My wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/significant other won't let me own guns" thread.

 

[rero360]

welcome aboard, I too have experienced this, one who was totally against the military, even though she loved seeing me in uniform, hated guns, everything, she was a vegan pacifist, I told her right from the git go that I owned guns, hunted, ate meat, and suported the death penality, all that. while we disagreed on all that stuff, she still wanted to be with me, what can I say I have that effect on women.

one wasn't so bad, she just did not like guns and loud noises, go figure, she still trying to get back with me even though I've told her its over, and shes dating someone else too, go fig.

I'v had the whole you seem like a nice guy, I've lost count of people who were shocked that I owned guns, my response has always been, yeah, so what, its no big deal, they're fun

my own mom is a bit of an anti, at least turning into one, I don't know, shes going crazy.

 

[R-Tex12]

Seriously. Firearms are a touchstone, a magic window into a person's soul. How someone reacts to them tells you a great deal about their level of personal responsibility and good sense.

+1!

Not only a most accurate insight, but beautifully stated.

Well said, Herself!

Edited to add: Oops - Welcome to THR, Mordechaianiliewicz!

Rick

 

[el44vaquero]

Welcome

 

[rust collector]

Glad you could make it. Welcome to THR

Apparently your friend was not interested in the rest of the story. That's a good indicator of her adaptability, depth and willingness to make the myriad of adjustments and compromises that make a relationship work. Sorry it didn't work out, but as others have said, you have saved a lot of time and energy. Single issue voters tune out the nuances that give life its richness. They may be blissfully ignorant, but I'm not sure they can ever be truly happy.

Good luck in your search for that special someone and remember, these things take time. But it's time well invested to insure mutual respect and empathy.

 

[matis]

THis has a little about the origin of that user name: http://a-human-right.com/jewsfight.html

You beat me to it, Oleg.


Mordechai Aniliweicz was the young commander of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. He organized and led the fighting. When the Germans were finally closing in, Mordechai and his girlfriend killed themselves rather than fall into Nazi hands.

Until the birth of modern Israel, he was the kind of Jew who helped the rest of us stand straight and hold our heads high.


(My father was born in Warsaw. He was drafted into the Polish army in the late twenties -- when a Jewish conscript was lucky if he came out alive. The danger came from the Polish Jew-haters, not the enemy. On his first leave, he announced to his family that "...the horse stinks and (sorry guys) I'm afraid of the gun." [he may have been afraid of the gun, and given his circumstances I can entirely understand that, but he was a gutsy man. At 5'4", I've seen him stand his ground more than once when others would have folded. I'm proud to be his son.]


He dug his savings out of his mattress, bought train and steamship tickets, and dragging his older brother with him, came to America. One other brother came later. The rest of the family later perished in the holocaust.)


Welcome to THR mordechaianiliweicz. And hold out for the right woman, she's out there looking for you.



matis

 

[AStone]

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[AStone]

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[AStone]

Hmmm..whats that saying about those who forget history?

Wow, Mr. Sindawe, that seemed a bit unjustified <frump> . Since when is in depth knowledge of history required for THR membership?

Besides, IMO, if we don't know something, we should feel free to ask without being belittled, as long as when we ask, we're not belittling others with the question. (And I certainly wasn't doing so; not intentionally anyway...just curious.)

It's not that I forgot that part of history, it's that I never knew it. I have not read Polish history. I don't deny its importance - clearly it is, as are all histories - but there's a lot of it to read, and I'm not finished reading yet.

But then, Sindawe, I'll bet I've forgotten more evolutionary & geologic history - which I've focused on for the last 30 years - than you ever knew. So there!

Thanks to Oleg & Matis for informing me.

Nem

 

[Malice]

I have lucked out. No girlfriend has ever had a problem with me owning guns. My current girlfriend is very enthused about it. I credit that to her grandfather. She is half pakistani and half good 'ole missouri anglo farmgirl. How wierd is that? Visiting her grandad while growing up, she liked shooting pop cans with .22s on his farm.

It just goes to show that one positive influence can totaly change how someone will grow up in terms of their attitude towards guns.

In fact I have taken her and her sister to the range once and we will be going again next week.

I think I have a keeper.

 

[woolfam]

Once though, a girl asked me why I carry a gun when she saw the ankle holster. "What're you afraid of?" she asked.
I replied, "Nothing. This is a .45."
Biker

Now THAT was funny!

 

[Sindawe]

Wow, Mr. Sindawe, that seemed a bit unjustified <frump> . Since when is in depth knowledge of history required for THR membership?

It is not, at least as far as *I* am aware. I apologize most unreservedly; I sometimes forget that most others are not possessed by the same kind of intellectual drive and insatiable curiosity that I am afflicted with in this life.

But then, Sindawe, I'll bet I've forgotten more evolutionary & geologic history - which I've focused on for the last 30 years - than you ever knew. So there!

Of that I have no doubt since I tend to follow the teachings of Lazarous Long on specialization.


Oh, and don't call me "Mr." I work for a living.

 

[xd9fan]

You will date some who are anti. My rule of thumb is: "Anyone who is not supportive of the Bill of Rights is a done deal!" Who cares how pretty she is?! This is just God being wasteful with good leftover flesh. You may ask why would God create such a beautiful woman with such a tiny intellect. I guess he did it for the same reason he created the cricket.

Life is way too short to be wasting precious minutes away with a company of dumb dumbs. Your dating should have set prerequisites, one of which is supportive of the Big Ten, for starters.

great post....and great sig line....wow

 

[AStone]

It is not, at least as far as *I* am aware. I apologize most unreservedly; I sometimes forget that most others are not possessed by the same kind of intellectual drive and insatiable curiosity that I am afflicted with in this life.

Ah,then we are similar.

We just have intellectual drive & insatiable curiosity about different topics.

Oh, and don't call me "Mr." I work for a living.

Oh, right, right. Me, too.

Then, I'll change the salutation to Dr. Sindawe.

Dr. Nem

 

[antsi]

This is probably a reflection on her character, not just an isolated phenomenon

If you have reasons other than looks to really like this girl, I'd give it one more chance. Something along the lines of, "I'm willing to take one try at having a rational discussion of firearms ownership. I don't mind if we wind up disagreeing, but I do mind if we can't discuss it intelligently."

Some people know nothing but the propaganda they've been fed, and may be open to reconsidering if confronted with reality. Some people are capable of disagreeing within bounds of rationality and civility.

Then again, there are a lot of them out there who absolutely cannot be reasoned with. There are some people who, when confronted with reality, will dig into their delusions even more ardently and get downright hostile. This one, with her "evil fascist gun owner" crap, unfortunately sounds like a member of this latter club.

Take her reaction to this issue as an index of her character. If she is willing to disagree amicably, reconsider her position, and be open to facts that go against her delusions, she may be worth working with.

If she just digs in her heels and gets increasingly hostile and irrational, be ready to hit the "jettison" button. If she's like this about guns, she's like this about a whole lot of other things you haven't run into yet.

 

[xd9fan]

welcome!!!

 

[palerider1]

well, obviously you are uncompatable just go to the range and find one that shoots good. if my date did that to me she would be walking home.

 

[jtward01]

I'd gotten away from shooting for awhile when my wife and I met. A few years after we married I got the shooting bug again. At first she was opposed to having guns in the house, but she didn't make a big issue of it so I went ahead and bought a few things. She really didn't start coming around until I took her to the range with me one night when we were having a bowling pin shoot. After I introduced her to an airline pilot, two cops, a neuro surgeon, a couple of medical students and a teacher, all of whom were shooters, her attitude changed completely. She'd been a victim of Hollywood's generalization of all shooters and hunters as toothless rednecks using AK-47s to hunt Bambi's momma. Paulette even began shooting my Ruger .22 and enjoying her self. Unfortunately, health problems are keeping both of us from shooting now, but she no longer freaks out when I say I'm buying another gun.

 

[Moondoggie]

Welcome aboard Mordechaianiliweicz...hope I typed you screen name correctly. The number of letters just about exceeded my attention span!

I'm glad someone 'splained the origin, I'd have never got it on my own.

My first wife pitched an absolute fit a few months after we were married regarding me bringing my pistol into our home. We were both in the service in CA when we met and married, so I was living in the barracks where personal firearms were forbidden. The subject never came up. Who would ever suspect that a Woman Marine would be a rabid anti? First trip we made back to my family home in NE I got my pistol from the closet and put it in my luggage. She saw it and went through the roof! Harsh words ensued. Pistol made the trip home with me as planned. This was the first of many major disagreements that led to the demise of the relationship and our divorce.

My present wife of 25 yrs had her own rifle, pistol, and shotgun when we started dating. She's an excellent shot. Life is good with the right person.

Just keep looking, the right one will come along probably sooner than you'd expect. Finding the right one is important. I hold out little hope for making a relationship work when there is a gulf in fundamental beliefs, especially if one of the parties is extremely close-minded.

 

[MuzzleBlast]

Get you a Southern Belle!

-And don't be surprised when she claims one of your guns!

 

[Tom Servo]

Liberals are really funny that way. Even though they feel that guns are bad, when they need one they are quite happy to have one at hand.

I have a few "intellectual" friends (most of whom are liberal), and they associate with people who are some of the most bigoted, closed-minded folks I've ever met.

My last ex was like this. She told me she was afraid of guns, so I suggested we go to the range. She replied that she didn't want to "be in a room with a bunch of sweaty rednecks making an idiot of myself." Umm...what did that make me?

Of course, this was the same woman who, when she found out that a friend's husband was beating her, wanted me to go over "and teach him a lesson." Yeah, I really appreciate that

It's called "contempt prior to investigation," something with which the Left is very good at indoctrinating supposedly intelligent people. It makes them feel better to sneer than to think.

Personally, I find a way to bring it up as soon as possible (though my friends are gunnies or at least sympathetic, and they're just as likely to mention it). Two things that immediately turn me off a woman are a) the aforementioned behavior and/or b) a dislike of dogs. (Sorry, we're a package deal )

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

it is a reference

to nematocyst, mordechai aniliewicz was a jewish freedom fighter in the warsaw ghetto uprising in poland, who led an insurgency of untrained, starving teenagers in a desperate battle against the nazis. A couple hundred starving jews who probably had never seen a gun held off the nazi empire longer than the whole nation of poland! To me this man and everyone there was a hero. And what happened is an example to anyone who says civilians with guns cannot do a thing to a government gone evil.

as for all your posts, thankyou. I have an update. i talkd to her once more. She said she overreacted. I let her know that i'm not mad at her, & that i understand she was raised to think guns are evil and gun owners are bad people. (she is a very liberal Democrat (while i am a libertarian minded kind of guy, i have some very strong anti-corporate beliefs), i tld her this isn't gonna work b/c she hadn't changd her beliefs.

i've met many antis, & frankly most have well reasoned, coherent arguments that have only one problem, they are wrong! it's the blind support for civil disarmament was startling. Oh well, guess i'll move on.

There is a girl where i work from the country that's been giving me the eye.....

 

[Smokey Joe]

Several items

The quote, I believe, is "Those who fail to learn from the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them." (emphasis mine) But I can't prove it, and the quote isn't in my Bartlett's.

Anyhow, Nematocyst now has his chance to learn.

You can choose yr girlfriend but not yr family.

My sister is anti all the way, I think. We have an unstated agreement not to discuss it, which keeps family gatherings civil and friendly. She won't eat venison, but happily consumes farm meat of all types. Go figure.

My mother put up with my interest in guns and hunting and shooting when I was a lad, possibly because she (correctly) identified a positive influence on me. But she wasn't happy about it. She did have a rule she stuck with, though: If I cleaned it, she would cook it. She made a marvelous roast duck with orange sauce. Her tolerance--especially for hunting--became less and less over the years.

My dad was a lukewarm hunter at best; he went a few times for the companionship and that was about it. His general view was a bit leftish, but he never said a negative word in my hearing about my shooting and gun ownership. One of his professional friends was an avid hunter.

The girl I married 37 yrs ago is a Midwestern farm girl. Her dad tried to teach me to call squirrels. Then her mom showed me what panfried squirrel is all about. We are still married and she is still supportive of my efforts in the shooting sports.

You can't choose yr family, but choosing a compatible girlfriend/possible life partner is awfully important.