Beginner Shotgun questions! Impress the noob =P

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Okay, so I'm thinking about a shotgun, for skeet shooting and/or home defense. I was just wondering...

Will I use the same choke for both duties? Should I buy a shotgun with a non-permanent choke, then? Do the cheaper pump shotguns (870, 500, 590, and whatnot) come with fixed chokes?

How hard is it to change the stock on a 500? There are a bunch on GunBroker that come with pistol grip stocks, and I know enough from shooting 20 guage single shots at scout camp that a 12 guage without a stock is probably gonna hurt.

Any other comments you can add to help me in my noobness are greatly appreciated.
 
Sorry, not too impressive, myself- just a broke-down old scattergun shooter. Would like to be helpful though, if you can live without me having to be impressive doing it. So, let's go through the questions and work on some answers.

Okay, so I'm thinking about a shotgun, for skeet shooting and/or home defense. I was just wondering...

Will I use the same choke for both duties? Should I buy a shotgun with a non-permanent choke, then?


Were I you, I'd not even use the same _barrel_ for home defense (HD) on one hand and any sort of formal clay games on the other. IMO, a shotgun set up for HD is handier with a barrel length from 18- 21". Be sure you stick to smoothbore though, more and more short barrels these days are rifled for use with sabot slugs. For a genuine HD gun choke won't matter too much- engagements are apt to be at ranges measured in feet rather than yards. At short range shotgun patterns will not have opened very much no matter what choke is used.

Nothing says you can't practice shooting at machine thrown or hand thrown clay pigeons with your HD gun (though some clubs restrict use of short barrels)- but if the point is to shoot clays and not practice with the defensive shotgun, you'll be better served with a longer barrel. A longer barrel gives you a longer sight radius and more weight out in front of your forward hand, which tends to help you swing better on fleeting clay targets. Usually a factory will make 26- 30" barrels for these sorts of uses. This sort of barrel is also better for wingshooting, if you ever get to go after waterfowl or doves.

Given that barrels on most modern repeating shotguns interchange quite easily, and given that there is a wide variety of lengths and types of barrels available, there is no need not to use a barrel suited to the task at hand. Manufacturers even offer combination deals, where you get one basic gun with two barrels, a long field or sporting barrel and a short deer or slug or defensive barrel.


Do the cheaper pump shotguns (870, 500, 590, and whatnot) come with fixed chokes?

Some do, some don't. Generally on new guns the longer sporting type barrels these days will be set up for choke tubes, while the shorter smoothbore defensive or deer/slug barrels have fixed chokes, mostly Cylinder or Improved Cylinder.


How hard is it to change the stock on a 500? There are a bunch on GunBroker that come with pistol grip stocks, and I know enough from shooting 20 guage single shots at scout camp that a 12 guage without a stock is probably gonna hurt.

Not hard at all, only simple tools required. Unless you're breaching doors or using a shotgun in a _very_ confined space, pistol grip only stocks are an unnecessary handicap for the shooter. And as you mention, often painful.


Any other comments you can add to help me in my noobness are greatly appreciated.

None of us are born shotgunners, all of us had to start somewhere as a noob. Some of us had the benefit of elders and mentors who took us in hand and taught us the ins and outs of the art and science of shotguns. We are the lucky ones, to have been helped, guided and trained from childhood. I wish it could be so for every child in this country.

"The Old Man knows pretty near close to everything," is the first line in one of the books mentioned below. There is a time in life when the wisdom and experience of the elderly can more easily be imparted to the young without having to fight through the barrier of the generation gap, past the adolescent need to separate from those who came before and be different. It is a magical time as are so many among the young, when horizons are closer and worlds are smaller and old men might loom more important in the great scheme of things. It's sad to see this time missed out on in so many cases.

But no matter- there is training available in almost all areas of the country. Hunter safety courses and the NRA classes are probably the lowest common denominator available in formal training. Learn safety first, no matter what. Informal training is as good as the trainer, so if you are going that route be sure you pick a good trainer. Any number of gun clubs offer training in smoking clays, and for defensive applications we are blessed with a number of world class trainers- people like Louis Awerbuck, Randy Cain and others of great skill.

The best advice I can give you is to always be willing to learn, and to enjoy doing it. Read. No matter what else you do, read. Many great lessons have already been set down in print, but if you don't find them and read them then they are useless to you. Start with the "101" threads here, and the links to the old TFL threads that are stickied at the top of the index page. Books? Lord yes, dozens of them, too many to list. But no matter what, don't miss Robert Ruark's _The Old Man and The Boy_ for the heart, soul and spirit of things, and Bob Brister's _Shotgunning: The Art and the Science_ for the how- to and technical stuff. Links:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08..._2/103-0495136-7885463?_encoding=UTF8&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0832918407/103-0495136-7885463?v=glance&n=283155

Good luck, and Stay Safe,

lpl/nc
 
I'll help you where i can -

How hard is it to change the stock on a 500? There are a bunch on GunBroker that come with pistol grip stocks, and I know enough from shooting 20 guage single shots at scout camp that a 12 guage without a stock is probably gonna hurt.

First, yes, normal pistol grips are pretty much useful for anything other than some painful fun, really no other application. Luckily, switching out the stock is a very easy process, basically removing a screw, and then screwing the new stock on. Takes a few minutes max.

Will I use the same choke for both duties? Should I buy a shotgun with a non-permanent choke, then? Do the cheaper pump shotguns (870, 500, 590, and whatnot) come with fixed chokes?

I doubt you'd use the same for both, but i'm pretty much a beginner in clay games, so i won't give any more specific advice then that.

However, i do know it depends more on the barrel you buy with your gun, than the gun. Personally, i found the Mossberg 500 Field/Security combo to be a great deal for my first shotgun.

It came with a 18.5 in Cylinder bore for home defense/slugs, as well as a 28 inc vent ribbed field barrel, with interchangeable chokes for sporting purposes. Came with wood furniture, as well as a pistol grip which i haven't actually used to punish myself yet ;) .

So yeah, barrel is where the choke comes from, and i've been very pleased with my 500, it fits all the roles i need from a shotgun right now, and does them all fairly well.

Hope this helped somewhat

Matt Beck
 
how hard is changing the barrel on a shotgun? I'm not particularly mechanically inclined, will it be a problem?
 
On Rem870s/Win1300s/Moss500-590:

1)Open action halfway

2)Unscrew magazine cap

3)Remove current barrel

4)Install different barrel

5)Replace magazine cap

Heck, if I can do it...

lpl/nc
 
I too am a shotgun n00b. I'm reading the thread with interest. One thing I've discovered is my local indoor range (where my wife bought me the gun) doesn't want me to shoot my shotgun there. They'll let me fire a couple times just so they can show me how it's done, but say their ventilation system can't handle all the smoke. So... are clay pigeons all there is? Are there ranges where I can shred some paper targets?
 
I very much think scatter gun pistol grips are useless, but if you have your heart set on one, a Knoxx Compstock reduces recoil and the stock folds out, so you have an instant choice of what configuration you want to shoot it in.
 
Good Replies above.

I do not recommend buying a shotgun - not yet anyways.

Get a someone to take you to a NRA Firearm Class, New Shooter Orientation at a Skeet Range / or ANY gun range for Safety, Etiquette, Manual of Arms and the like such Education.

Read, Do searches, Read more.

Find someone to take you to a Skeet field if that is the Clay game you want to LEARN. There are other clay disciplines as well.

I Never recommend a person buy any gun, for any task, ESPECIALLY new to a discipline until the brain has been educcated and trained first.

THEN, ask permission to try a variety of guns to learn what FITS YOU, for that task. LISTEN to seasoned shooters about gun fit and everything.

Skeet is 8 stations with 25 shells fired. Tournaments are 4 rounds meaning 100rds total.

I and others will do 100 repetitons a day of correct mounting gun to face to keep instilled the correct basic fundamentals, increase stamina.

I shot skeet in 110* F hot humid temps to below freezing. Rain, Snow, Sleet, blowing sand, ice...

Using Skeet for example, the other disciplines mirror skeet...When we say SERIOUS Fun...we really mean the SERIOUS part.

Skeet folks shoot 4 gauges, 12, 20, 28 ga, and .410. Usually two events in one day, meaning 200 rds fired, PLUS if good enough, you have a shoot off to determine winners.

There are doubles events too.

No big deal to shoot 600 - 700 rds in Tourney that runs Fri, Sat Sun. Been know to shoot 700 rds in two days.

Train the brain, then get a gun. Crawl, walk , run.
 
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