ozarkhillbilly
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Has anyone used either a Lasermax or a Crimson Trace on any of their auto loaders and what did you think of them. I am trying to find out which is best to put on my Beretta 92
Beretta 92 Lasermax or Crimson Trace
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MadMercS55
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Totally a matter of preference IMO. My friend has a lasermax on his 92, another bought a 92 that came with laser-grips. Both work extremely well at their intended jobs. I prefer the lasermax since it is an internal unit and I've found the laser-grips a tad uncomfortable. I own a 92FS and will be purchasing a lasermax unit for it very soon. I've heard that the lasermax unit is pretty much sighted in from the factory, while the grips may require some fine-tuning to your specific weapon.
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beretta 92
The model for the Beretta 92 full size is the 1441 for the compact its the 1431
I have personally dropped this weapon on a concrete floor from heights of up to 6 feet with the lasermax installed with no damage to the sight and no shift in the impact of the rounds upon firing. No I,m not insane for dropping the weapon I work for the company and its just one of the demos we do to show we have the most ruggard lasersight in the business.
The model for the Beretta 92 full size is the 1441 for the compact its the 1431
I have personally dropped this weapon on a concrete floor from heights of up to 6 feet with the lasermax installed with no damage to the sight and no shift in the impact of the rounds upon firing. No I,m not insane for dropping the weapon I work for the company and its just one of the demos we do to show we have the most ruggard lasersight in the business.
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I've got 3 Crimson Trace laser grips, one on a Kimber Tactical Ultra.
I like them so well there's three more I'd buy if CT made them.
I called CT to see if the Beretta laser would fit on my Taurus PT 99 AFS, to use as a house or car gun. Won't fit.
I don't own and haven't shot the Lasermax so I can't say anything one way or the other.
I like them so well there's three more I'd buy if CT made them.
I called CT to see if the Beretta laser would fit on my Taurus PT 99 AFS, to use as a house or car gun. Won't fit.
I don't own and haven't shot the Lasermax so I can't say anything one way or the other.
Manedwolf
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I would seriously hope that a solid-state diode laser would not be affected by a simple drop. I can't think of any that would be.
bubbygator
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I have had 1 LaserMax, & 6 CrimsonTrace on various guns; I still have 3: BHP, S&W 442, Ruger Mk-II. The LaserMax was on a Glock-26.
I don't know the activation method for the Beretta, but on the Glock, it was by having to push the (supplied replacement) take-down lever off the center position (left or right) with the trigger finger.
(1) I couldn't get used to that motion with my trigger finger (your mileage may vary).
(2) Also, in recoil the take-down lever occasionally jogged back to the center position, turning the laser off (this might have been peculiar to my gun, or might have been corrected in later design).
(3) Also, the relatively dim LaserMax blinking spot was much less vivid (discernable) than the bright CT spot (I have read this from several other people who have used both).
I don't know the activation method for the Beretta, but on the Glock, it was by having to push the (supplied replacement) take-down lever off the center position (left or right) with the trigger finger.
(1) I couldn't get used to that motion with my trigger finger (your mileage may vary).
(2) Also, in recoil the take-down lever occasionally jogged back to the center position, turning the laser off (this might have been peculiar to my gun, or might have been corrected in later design).
(3) Also, the relatively dim LaserMax blinking spot was much less vivid (discernable) than the bright CT spot (I have read this from several other people who have used both).
PX15
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I have Crimson Trace Lasergrips on my J-Frame Airweight Bodyguard and my Sig P239.
I am a big fan of Crimson Trace, and visit their website regularly. When I consider the purchase of another firearm I always check first to see if CT makes a LG for it.. I like the customer support offered on the CT forum. Apparently the only complaint about Crimson Trace Lasergrips is that there simply aren't enough models available. Everyone is always asking for new models for their particular firearms.
I have read great things about the LaserMax products also. I was wanting a LaserMax for my Sig P239, but my pistol is 9mm and last year LM didn't have a product in that cal. They did have it in the 357SIG/40CAL.
In the meantime CT released their Sig P239 Lasergrips and I am well pleased with them. The grips fit perfectly and feel like the Hogue grips I replaced the original Sig grips with when new.
IMO Crimson Trace and LaserMax are both excellent, quality laser products. You won't be disappointed with either one. I'm just on the Crimson Trace bandwagon, so that's just my personal preference.
Best Wishes,
JP
I am a big fan of Crimson Trace, and visit their website regularly. When I consider the purchase of another firearm I always check first to see if CT makes a LG for it.. I like the customer support offered on the CT forum. Apparently the only complaint about Crimson Trace Lasergrips is that there simply aren't enough models available. Everyone is always asking for new models for their particular firearms.
I have read great things about the LaserMax products also. I was wanting a LaserMax for my Sig P239, but my pistol is 9mm and last year LM didn't have a product in that cal. They did have it in the 357SIG/40CAL.
In the meantime CT released their Sig P239 Lasergrips and I am well pleased with them. The grips fit perfectly and feel like the Hogue grips I replaced the original Sig grips with when new.
IMO Crimson Trace and LaserMax are both excellent, quality laser products. You won't be disappointed with either one. I'm just on the Crimson Trace bandwagon, so that's just my personal preference.
Best Wishes,
JP
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I thought I'd try a little experiment with the CT laser.
I wear tri focal glasses for, distant, about 40 inches and reading. I use the center, 40 inches for shooting so the sights are sharp.
A few minutes ago I thought I'd see what effect, if any, not wearing my glasses would have when shooting with the laser.
The sun is out but the target was in the shade and while not real bright the dot could be seen OK.
Even with my glasses the sights are hard to see today in the sunlight, so the laser did good.
The wind is blowing hard.
I used my 38 S&W Mod 15 because I don't like looking for 45 brass in the grass in my backyard.
Anyhow for what ever reason, if you can't see your sights but you can see your laser, you're still in good shape.
I wear tri focal glasses for, distant, about 40 inches and reading. I use the center, 40 inches for shooting so the sights are sharp.
A few minutes ago I thought I'd see what effect, if any, not wearing my glasses would have when shooting with the laser.
The sun is out but the target was in the shade and while not real bright the dot could be seen OK.
Even with my glasses the sights are hard to see today in the sunlight, so the laser did good.
The wind is blowing hard.
I used my 38 S&W Mod 15 because I don't like looking for 45 brass in the grass in my backyard.
Anyhow for what ever reason, if you can't see your sights but you can see your laser, you're still in good shape.
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Actually we test alot of the rival products here, and a number of them, will not survive a 6 foot drop to concrete and retain their zero.
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I still have not purchased either one yet but plan to in the next couple of months, a new BHP and Sig 229 called to me first, but my question is, I do not fully understand how you activate the lasermax laser?
I still have not purchased either one yet but plan to in the next couple of months, a new BHP and Sig 229 called to me first, but my question is, I do not fully understand how you activate the lasermax laser?
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Activating the laserMax sight
On the Beretta you remove the the stock disassembling latch and replace it with the one supplied with the lasermax you buy. Both are made by Beretta by the way. Its a simple twist out to get one out and twist in to get the other in. In the middle of the switch you will see a small pin in the middle of the switch which can be accessed by either hand. all you do to activate the laser is push the pin in, to turn it off, just push it back to center from the other side. If you have learned to keep you finger off the triger in the universal cover mode or indexing mode your finger will naturally be over the activation button when ever you grip your weapon. You do not have to squeeze to activate it. Or keep artificial pressure on your grip to keep it activated. you can use the same firing grip you are acustommed to. I hope this answers your question if it doesnt let me know and ill try to answer it better lol.
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On the Beretta you remove the the stock disassembling latch and replace it with the one supplied with the lasermax you buy. Both are made by Beretta by the way. Its a simple twist out to get one out and twist in to get the other in. In the middle of the switch you will see a small pin in the middle of the switch which can be accessed by either hand. all you do to activate the laser is push the pin in, to turn it off, just push it back to center from the other side. If you have learned to keep you finger off the triger in the universal cover mode or indexing mode your finger will naturally be over the activation button when ever you grip your weapon. You do not have to squeeze to activate it. Or keep artificial pressure on your grip to keep it activated. you can use the same firing grip you are acustommed to. I hope this answers your question if it doesnt let me know and ill try to answer it better lol.
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I installed and sighted in a LM for a friend's Kimber TLE. The first four or so rounds were touching at 21 feet. Then, at fifty feet, the next twenty five rounds went into one hole, right on top of the front sight. It has been a long time since doing that was so easy....
My old eyeballs find it more difficult to line up the standard sights and target than to center the red dot. So I have a LM on a PC5906, and will put one in a Kimber TLE that I'm waiting on....
My Hi Power may get a CT in the future..
My old eyeballs find it more difficult to line up the standard sights and target than to center the red dot. So I have a LM on a PC5906, and will put one in a Kimber TLE that I'm waiting on....
My Hi Power may get a CT in the future..
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bubbygator
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You'll like the CT on your BHP. I'm a SD shooter, not a target shooter, so I can't quote that kind of accuracy for you. But I can put 18 shots in a 5 inch diameter circle at 15 yards in about 20 seconds...... shooting from my hip. And I had given up shooting due to poor eyesight! That's what first sold me on the technology.
ozarkhillbilly
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Thanks for the info thats what I was looking for.
Thanks for the info thats what I was looking for.
Cacique500
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On the CTC grips you use a normal firing grip to activate the laser - no 'artificial pressure' is required.
To install the CTC grips all you do is remove the stock Beretta grips and replace them with the CTC grips...no replacement of internal factory parts.
CTC uses CR-2032 batteries...cheap and readily available. CTC is also offering a "Free Batteries for Life" promo right now - 2 sets of batteries free of charge every year, for life. Lasermax battery packs will run you $12/each (from the Lasermax website).
Another consideration, if this is for a self defense weapon, is where the laser is located. On CTC the laser is on the grip - *if* it fails, you've lost a laser and the gun will still function. On Lasermax, *if* it fails, you can *potentially* lose the gun.
Just some additional FYI not provided in the earlier posts.
Bobo
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Cacique500,
Exactly what happens that stops the gun from firing?
You mean if the Lasermax stops working the gun won't shoot?
Exactly what happens that stops the gun from firing?
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I prefer CT.
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I have Crimson Trace lasergrips on my Beretta. With my grip I am not able to activate the laser very well. The new grips (wraparound) don't have this problem. I would like to sell it and replace it with the new style. The actual laser is powerful and very accurate, I just can't get it to activate reliably.
I just wish they made Ct grips in jframe sq butt. I have them on my commander and the wifes commander. I have one set on a model 13 too and with that set up, it is easy to place 6 shots under a playing card at 25 yards slow fire, and just as easy to put 6 shots under a card fring from the hip in a defensive stance.
I just wish they did not cost me more than i have paid for some of the guns they are one...
I just wish they did not cost me more than i have paid for some of the guns they are one...
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pete f:
I agree that Crimson Trace Lasergrips are as costly as some of my firearms, but once you try a set there's no turning back.
I was going to buy "another" snubby a couple of years ago, even tho I couldn't hit squat with any of them. I'm old, my vision sucks, and hand steadiness is becoming more of a problem as I rapidly advance down the senility highway.
In a moment of clarity I purchased my first set of CT Lasergrips, (model 205) for one of my J-frames.. Voila! All of a sudden I could hit what I was aiming at again.. Even in direct sunlight at the distances I chose to shoot (5-7 yards) for self-defense I can still see the laser dot well enough to hit the target.
I now have a set on my Sig P239, and when I can come up with the money I want a set of the new J-frame 405's....
The ability to actually hit a target makes the price of the Crimson Trace Lasergrips very reasonable to this old fart..
Dissenting opinions welcomed, and cheerfully ignored.
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
I agree that Crimson Trace Lasergrips are as costly as some of my firearms, but once you try a set there's no turning back.
I was going to buy "another" snubby a couple of years ago, even tho I couldn't hit squat with any of them. I'm old, my vision sucks, and hand steadiness is becoming more of a problem as I rapidly advance down the senility highway.
In a moment of clarity I purchased my first set of CT Lasergrips, (model 205) for one of my J-frames.. Voila! All of a sudden I could hit what I was aiming at again.. Even in direct sunlight at the distances I chose to shoot (5-7 yards) for self-defense I can still see the laser dot well enough to hit the target.
I now have a set on my Sig P239, and when I can come up with the money I want a set of the new J-frame 405's....
The ability to actually hit a target makes the price of the Crimson Trace Lasergrips very reasonable to this old fart..
Dissenting opinions welcomed, and cheerfully ignored.
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
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warranty and grip concerns
If the lasermax fails it will still continue to function as a guiderod, if it didnt we wouldnt have letters from Glock and Beretta saying that installing our sight doesnt void their warranty. As for using the CTC sight you do have to squeeze with pressure to turn it on and then relax that pressure to turn it off all the while the weapon is moving in your hand. Remember your shooting hand grip should be firm like shaking hands but not a death grip to induce muscular strain.
If the lasermax fails it will still continue to function as a guiderod, if it didnt we wouldnt have letters from Glock and Beretta saying that installing our sight doesnt void their warranty. As for using the CTC sight you do have to squeeze with pressure to turn it on and then relax that pressure to turn it off all the while the weapon is moving in your hand. Remember your shooting hand grip should be firm like shaking hands but not a death grip to induce muscular strain.
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I got two Crimson Traces. One on a Ruger KP944DC and the other on a Springfield Armory 1911A1 GI. And I'm Deadeye Dick with either of them rascals. I would have liked to try the Lasermax, but not at a 100 dollars more.
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