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beretta laramie breakopen revolver

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gutterman

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I just picked up a new in the box Beretta Laramie 45 colt. Its a beautiful nickel 6". I'm looking for opinions on handloads for this gun so as not to exceed the guns limits. It is a well made gun but I don't want to go overboard . It will be used for range shooting and showing off. Any opinions?
 
It should be fine with any currently listed .45 Colt standard pressure loads from published reloading manuals as they are held to SAAMI pressure limits of 14,000 PSI.

(Not Ruger Only loads.)

Commercial 'Cowboy Loads' are even milder.

Rc
 
As he said, any standard pressure load is fine. I usually run my Uberti Schofield with either a 200gr or 250gr RNFP over 8.0gr Unique.
 
I'd keep it around 45acp performance levels.
250gr or lighter boolits at around 800 fps.

I wouldn't try chuckin' 325gr boolits at 1100.
 
I've always wanted one of those. I'd keep the loads to about 1000 fps ain't much you can't do with a .45 colt they like the .44 spl don't need to be magnumized to enjoy their power.
 
Kind of looks like an old H&R .38 S&W top break.

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Kaeto

Please, that's like saying a Ferrari 488 GTB kind of looks like a Fiat 500 because they're both cars with four wheels! The design and quality of the Beretta Laramie make it look like a work of gun-making art (at least back in the late 1800s); the H&R Top break, not so much so.

And by the way, that's a great looking Laramie you've got there.
 
Kind of looks like an old H&R .38 S&W top break.

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In the same way that a Hipoint looks like a Sig Sauer P210, sure.

But no. That Laramie is a work of art, the H&R is a work of function.

I think that the Laramie is a nice piece because it combines the magnum hump from the Russian but removes the trigger guard spur. Pretty nice all in all.
 
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Kaeto

Sorry about that, thought it was the other way around with you owning the Laramie and the H&R was some photo you got off the web. Would love to have a Laramie to go with my Beretta Stampede.
 
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Kaeto

I still kick myself for not picking up a mint H&R Model 999 Sportsman for a very nice price a few years ago. I remember thinking at the time it's a great top-break gun and all but I would rather have a 10 shot semi-auto .22 than a 9 shot revolver.
 
Howdy

The Beretta Laramie is a replica of the Smith and Wesson New Model Number Three. The New Model Number Three was the last of the large frame Top Break revolvers that S&W produced. It was cataloged from 1878 until 1908. As the SCSW says, the New Model Number Three was the pinnacle of large frame S&W Top Break design. It is a much larger gun than the H&R Top Break pictured in post #7.

All the large frame S&W Top Breaks were built on the #3 size frame. There were five distinct models built on the #3 sized frame; the American Model, the Russian Model, the Schofield Model, the New Model Number Three, and the Double Action 44.

The standard caliber for the New Model #3 was 44 Russian, but it was also available in many other calibers. Serial Number 32661 was shipped to Col. Theodore Roosevelt, and it is rumored that Bob Ford used a New Model Three to assassinate Jesse James. Virgil Earp and Buffalo Bill are each known to have owned one.

This New Model Number Three shipped in 1882. It is chambered for the standard caliber, 44 Russian. It looks so good because it was factory refinished in 1965.

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This photo shows the New Model Number Three at the top, a Schofield in the middle, and a Russian Model at the bottom. Notice how much more exaggerated the hump (S&W called it a 'knuckle') is on the grip of the Russian Model. I can tell you that if you don't get that knuckle up above your hand, recoil can make it hurt like the dickens. The grip shape of the New Model #3 is much more forgiving. The New Model #3 usually lacked the spur on the trigger guard of the Russian Model, but I have seen examples that did have the trigger guard spur, usually made for the Japanese market.

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Along with the reshaped grip, the New Model Number Three had a rebounding hammer. This photo shows the hammer in the rebounded position. Notice how fragile the parts are. I would not trust the New Model Number Three with a live round under the hammer.

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The Beretta Laramie is a very faithful copy of the New Model Number Three, but as far as I know, the Laramie comes with an adjustable target rear sight. Target sights were optional on the New Model Number Three, and it was prized by target shooters of the late 19th Century. Records were set with the New Model Number Three that still stand today.

Taylors is marketing a version of the same revolver chambered for 45 Colt that they call the New Model Number Three Frontier, which is interesting because the real New Model Number Three Frontier was specifically chambered for 44-40. The New Model Number Three 38 Winchester (38-40) was the rarest of all the variations of the New Model Number Three, only 74 were manufactured. The original New Model Number Three was never factory chambered for 45 Colt.

When Uberti (and their parent company Beretta) released their versions of the New Model Number Three and Schofield, the cylinders had been lengthened slightly to accommodate the 44-40 and 45 Colt rounds. Unlike the originals, the frame was not stretched a similar amount. In order to fit the longer cylinder into the frame, the cylinder bushing was shortened. The result of this is these revolvers do not tend to shoot well with Black Powder, they tend to bind up relatively quickly as BP fouling coats the cylinder arbor.

Although I only shoot Black Powder in my antique Top Breaks, I would not hesitate to shoot standard SAAMI spec 45 Colt or 44-40 loads in the Laramie if I owned one. All Italian firearms are proof tested in government run proof houses to European standards, which are actually a little bit tougher than American standards. However I would avoid 300 grain bullets.
 
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Another great post by Driftwood Johnson. Thanks!

One of the cowboy shooters here in SC has pair of S&W New Models (I thought they were No. 2s but I could be mistaken). Both are in .44 Russian. I am always happy to see these fine old guns in action.
 
Driftwood Johnson

Thanks for the history behind the gun. I always felt the New Model Three was the epitome of top-break designed revolvers in both style and design.
 
Imagine if the boys at the Alamo had some of smith's with them. They sure are pretty, but I want to try and buy either the beretta or uberti version and I think I'll search for one in .44-40
 
One of the cowboy shooters here in SC has pair of S&W New Models (I thought they were No. 2s but I could be mistaken). Both are in .44 Russian.

If they are 44 Russian, they are #3s. The various #3 Smiths were the only Top Breaks big enough to chamber a 44 caliber cartridge. Most of the 38 Top Breaks were 38 five shooters. Only the #3s had a big enough cylinder for 6 rounds of 44 or 45 caliber.

Compare the size of this 44 Double Action, a six shooter chambered for 44 Russian, with this 38 Double Action, a five shooter chambered for 38 S&W.

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I am always happy to see these fine old guns in action.

How's this?

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I am willing to make a small wager that, except possibly for the improvement in steel, the S&W guns were better made and fitted than the Beretta or Uberti copies. I see some waves and rounded corners on that Laramie.

Jim
 
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