My father is handing down his model 70 or 71 beretta "Jaguar" to me (Don't know the exact model) and I just had one question; was this weapon manufactured specifically for the Mossad or was it manufactured for public use and just adopted by the Mossad. I read one history website about it but it just talked about its use with them and I would like to know if I have one that was at one point owned by the secret service of Israel, or the sky marshals of israel for that matter. Thank you!
Beretta model 70 & 71 "Jaguar"
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No, it wasn't, this model and the similar ones that preceed it were produced for both commercial and governmental use, ie: police and military. Israel used whatever guns they could aquire in the early days of their existence. The Mossad connection to this particular gun is way over played, IMHO, as it has no other history with any other nation other than a standard police sidearm.
I strongly suspect sky marshalls use a higher caliber than the .380.
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Good gun.
I got mine back in November.
There is a Israeli on Glock talk that mentioned just last week that the 70s is still issued to some minor LEO personel. He showed a picture of a young lady armed with the 70s. He also said that Israel has a lot of Beretta 70 pistols that they no longer use and would like to sell. Too bad they can't be shipped to the US.
Mossad
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/israeli-mossad-22-lrs/
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I got mine back in November.
There is a Israeli on Glock talk that mentioned just last week that the 70s is still issued to some minor LEO personel. He showed a picture of a young lady armed with the 70s. He also said that Israel has a lot of Beretta 70 pistols that they no longer use and would like to sell. Too bad they can't be shipped to the US.
Mossad
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-weapons/israeli-mossad-22-lrs/
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I love .22s of all shapes and sizes. These two Berettas are among my favorite. The 70S is a great gun and incredibly reliable. I replaced the original thumbrest grips on the 70S with vintagegrips. I just like the look a little better. I would love to find some wood grips for it.
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They were actually brought to Israel for police use and for sky marshals, as for both purposes there is a lessened danger to whatever lies beyond your target. Use of the Beretta .22 by the Mossad was probably more as a convenience than anything else. Israeli security personnel would have a few at an embassy, and ElAl guards would have a few on their planes, and they would serve as a ready supply for whoever else might need a pistol.
While we're on the subject...anyone have a spare 3.5" .22 barrel they might part with? I have one in Israel waiting for me, but the trouble is actually getting it here. The wife is going back for the next wedding and I don't think she'll want to bring it back for me.
While we're on the subject...anyone have a spare 3.5" .22 barrel they might part with? I have one in Israel waiting for me, but the trouble is actually getting it here. The wife is going back for the next wedding and I don't think she'll want to bring it back for me.
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I think I have misspoke. I meant to say the beretta 75 Jaguar (or was I right the first time? All my father told me is that he's giving me his Jaguar but I can't remember the model!). Whatever it is, the gun is absolutely fantastic and a real pleasure to shoot! Thanks for the information and those are swell lookin' Berettas!
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71's and 75's are about the same. The 75 either has the 6" barrel, or possibly both long and short barrels; I can't remember.
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I think the Model 75 was just the longer barrel (5.9"), version of the alloy framed Model 71. The Model 72 came with both the 5.9" and the 3.5" barrels.The 71, 72, and 75 have an 8 rd. mag while the 73 and 74 have a 10 rd. mag.
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Man, those are pretty.Good gun.
I got mine back in November.
Judbro9
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Anyone with experience removing the fake can on Beretta M 70? I've got the hex head screw removed but still can't break the hold between threads on the barrel and the fake can. Heating and cooling and penetrating oil haven't done it. Looking for next step ideas.
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I believe there was a thread awhile back where someone described their efforts of removing the fake silencer and cleaning up the barrel. Maybe try using the search function to see if you can find it. This my Model 70S that has been hard chromed plated by Ron Mahovsky of Metalife many years ago.
I believe there was a thread awhile back where someone described their efforts of removing the fake silencer and cleaning up the barrel. Maybe try using the search function to see if you can find it. This my Model 70S that has been hard chromed plated by Ron Mahovsky of Metalife many years ago.
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Ah, yes, those folks at Mahovsky's do a superb job of hard chrome plating. They did my Beretta 70S, too. A friend who was leaving the area a few years back sold it to me for $100. He was moving to Texas and knew I liked it, so it was pretty much a giveaway. The grips are almost impossible to find.
There were some people who saw me shoot it at the range and they thought it was stainless steel, and that someone at Beretta had sobered up long enough to put the gun back into production as an INOX version. This little gun, as well as the Ruger .22lr autos, were favorites of the Israelis. The Italian mob and U.S. squads, on the other hand, favored the Rugers. The mob used them as is and often just lost them afterwards. The U.S. was always trying to fit them in briefcases and such.
There were some people who saw me shoot it at the range and they thought it was stainless steel, and that someone at Beretta had sobered up long enough to put the gun back into production as an INOX version. This little gun, as well as the Ruger .22lr autos, were favorites of the Israelis. The Italian mob and U.S. squads, on the other hand, favored the Rugers. The mob used them as is and often just lost them afterwards. The U.S. was always trying to fit them in briefcases and such.
jonnyc
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Yes, they can be removed, and here's how to do it.....WITHOUT CUTTING THE BARREL OFF!
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=106235&highlight=israel
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=106235&highlight=israel
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Dang those are sexy.
Dave Markowitz
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CAI used red Loctite when they added the fake suppressors. It either needs more heat, or in the case of the one I bought, judicious use of a milling machine.
Once you get the damn thing off, the Jaguar is a fantastic little pistol.
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