After AWB, it should be legal to have pistol grip on that thing right? Is there anything mechnical in the thumbhole stock of Storm CSX? If not, may be a collapsable stock can be put on instead of the current stock. Storm with MP5 collapsable stock, that'll look nice.
Beretta Storm idea, whaddya think?
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One of the regualars at our range has a storm dressed out like the second concept you posted. He has a vertical foregrip, full-length upper picatinny, red dot optic and a few 30 round mags. Currently he is contemplating a Streamlight M6. With the current red-dot it's cake to quickly put 'em all in a single, fist-sized hole at 25 yards.
Well its no secret I am no fan of the concept but if it were mine. I would SBR it after the AWB expiration then get the barrel threaded for a Gemtech suppressor. Then would make it ideal for killing stray dogs for the animal control guys.
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355sigfan, MAN, Arrnooodd would have a hard time getting his mitts around that grip.
A LEO friend of mine said his dept is getting just such a carbine for critter control. They already have a suppressor on a 22 that rides in the trunk of his squad. He works for a VERY small town and they have an incredible cat and dog problem. All the sick cats and dogs are drawing in coyotes making the citizens very nervous.
I am not the worlds biggest fan of the 9mm. But thought about getting one of these to help burn up some of the stuff my Hi-Power doesn't
Plus I think the kids would just have a ball with it. They are 6-9 and both have their own ARFs OH NO, it just dawned on me that If I bring one of these things home I will have to get another.
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A LEO friend of mine said his dept is getting just such a carbine for critter control. They already have a suppressor on a 22 that rides in the trunk of his squad. He works for a VERY small town and they have an incredible cat and dog problem. All the sick cats and dogs are drawing in coyotes making the citizens very nervous.
I am not the worlds biggest fan of the 9mm. But thought about getting one of these to help burn up some of the stuff my Hi-Power doesn't
Plus I think the kids would just have a ball with it.
They are 6-9 and both have their own ARFs OH NO, it just dawned on me that If I bring one of these things home I will have to get another. Darkside
I got inspired by this thread so here is the result of my photoshop work.
After AWB go away, there should be no restrictions whatsoever about folding stock and flash hiders, so why not have Beretta modify the CX4 to reflect this situation? If Beretta would also solve the reliability and QC problems, the Storm could easily rival MP5 in firepower, portability, and versatility to become an effective LE and civilian carbine.
Aside from threading the muzzle to accept flash hiders or other compensators, it only requires one other change. There is no vital mechanical component in the thumbhole stock, so Beretta could just add an endcap to the rear of the carbine. They could then use the endcap to mount an M4 style collapsible stock (pic 1). This would result in minimal manufacturing change to the CX4. A more involved route is to use MP5 retractable stock (pic 2) and alter the polymer housing for the retractable arms. This would make the carbine even more compact.
After AWB go away, there should be no restrictions whatsoever about folding stock and flash hiders, so why not have Beretta modify the CX4 to reflect this situation? If Beretta would also solve the reliability and QC problems, the Storm could easily rival MP5 in firepower, portability, and versatility to become an effective LE and civilian carbine.
Aside from threading the muzzle to accept flash hiders or other compensators, it only requires one other change. There is no vital mechanical component in the thumbhole stock, so Beretta could just add an endcap to the rear of the carbine. They could then use the endcap to mount an M4 style collapsible stock (pic 1). This would result in minimal manufacturing change to the CX4. A more involved route is to use MP5 retractable stock (pic 2) and alter the polymer housing for the retractable arms. This would make the carbine even more compact.
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I would have to do some searching but I think that there are some min. OAL measurements that are not under the AWB, don't quote me on this. I would just have to check.
Airpower, Did you intend to attech some pics?
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Airpower, Did you intend to attech some pics?
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355sigfan, That was the same number I was thinking, but wasn't sure. Is that number established buy the AWB or another law?
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Ok, If my cyfer'n is correct this thing is 29.72" long from the factory. That means if a colapsable stock of some sort is used you would only gain/reduce the OAL by about 3.5"
My question is, Is it worth while to reduce the OAL by such a small amount?
I know when you shorten the AR's into the 10.5" SBR the thing gets incrediably handy. It also takes an extra $200 in some states to get the shorty stamp of approval
I guess a lot will depend on what Goodies start comming out for the Storm.
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My question is, Is it worth while to reduce the OAL by such a small amount?
I know when you shorten the AR's into the 10.5" SBR the thing gets incrediably handy. It also takes an extra $200 in some states to get the shorty stamp of approval
I guess a lot will depend on what Goodies start comming out for the Storm.
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Swingset, How is that trigger job comming???? There might be a STORM brewing in Kansas
Did some checking over at Kurts and it looks like no problem on the flash hider instal.
Did someone say they have/had seen 30 round mags for this thing?
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Did some checking over at Kurts and it looks like no problem on the flash hider instal.
Did someone say they have/had seen 30 round mags for this thing?
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i picked up some Berretta SB 30 rounders that should work in the Storm
heres a shorty i rendered awhile ago:
heres a shorty i rendered awhile ago:
I asked this a while ago.
The problem with putting a real suppressor on it (at least with a threaded bbl) is 1989, not the AWB. And 1989 isn't going away.
Now, there might be a way around that, but I'm gonna hold off until 1. the .45ACP storms are out and 2. the AWB has drawn its last breath before I try to figure it out for sure.
Mike
The problem with putting a real suppressor on it (at least with a threaded bbl) is 1989, not the AWB. And 1989 isn't going away.
Now, there might be a way around that, but I'm gonna hold off until 1. the .45ACP storms are out and 2. the AWB has drawn its last breath before I try to figure it out for sure.
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Say What! SBR the thing, cut back and thread the barrel. Screw suppressor on.
I think the 1989 ban was an import ban. You might be confused with the 1986 machine gun ban which put a stop to the registration of new machine guns.
I currently have a Gemtech Trinity clearing the ATF. I plan on picking up a CX4 and a Beretta 92. I want to SBR and thread the CX4 for the suppressor, as well as thread the barrel on the 92. Then I would have an interchangeable suppressor and mags (which I would have at least 20 of). As for three point slings, red dots, or that ridiculous front grip, no thanks. Ever notice how there’s two type of people: People who love add on accessories, and those who just have a ton of mags.
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Actually the AWB is what killed the supprressors and the barrel threading not the semi auto import ban. Once the guns have made it into the country you can do what you want to them with the 1989 ban. For example to get enough points baby glocks were imported with adjustable sights. These sights are scapped once they hit the country and are replaced with good night sights or fixed sights.
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To clarify:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89418&highlight=storm+and+suppressor
And heck, if I'm wrong about this, sweet. Game on.
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89418&highlight=storm+and+suppressor
And heck, if I'm wrong about this, sweet. Game on.
Mike
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355sigfan,
The Glock is imported that way due to pistol points system that is part of GCA '68 (intended to keep out 'saturday night specials'), not the Bush Ban of '89.
To turn a thumbhole-stocked imported rifle into an EBR post-'89, one needs to exploit a loophole in the law by replacing a certain number of its imported parts with a certain number of US-made ones, thus transforming it from an "import" into a "domestic".
The Glock is imported that way due to pistol points system that is part of GCA '68 (intended to keep out 'saturday night specials'), not the Bush Ban of '89.
To turn a thumbhole-stocked imported rifle into an EBR post-'89, one needs to exploit a loophole in the law by replacing a certain number of its imported parts with a certain number of US-made ones, thus transforming it from an "import" into a "domestic".
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Let work on a parts count.
Requirements, Easily changed out and Easily manufactured in the USA.
Would these count?
1. Front sight
2. Rear sight
3. Charging Handle
4. Mag. release
5. Saftey
Are there ANY parts that come off the 92's that can be used on this thing? My understanding is that for the US miltary contract the 92 had to be manufactured in the US.
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Requirements, Easily changed out and Easily manufactured in the USA.
Would these count?
1. Front sight
2. Rear sight
3. Charging Handle
4. Mag. release
5. Saftey
Are there ANY parts that come off the 92's that can be used on this thing? My understanding is that for the US miltary contract the 92 had to be manufactured in the US.
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Other than the magazine? I doubt it.
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Tamara:
(Antigunners talk about loopholes all the time when they cry about companies like Bushmaster removing the flash hider and evil bayonet lug from their rifles . . . we shouldn't do the same.)
I think parts like magazine body, follower, and floorplate would count as US-made parts . . . they do on FALs . . . so wouldn't that count as three parts right there?
So now . . . what else is there to work with?
Shame on you, Tamara. We shouldn't talk about exploiting loopholes in the law . . . we should talk about complying with the requirements of the law.
(Antigunners talk about loopholes all the time when they cry about companies like Bushmaster removing the flash hider and evil bayonet lug from their rifles . . . we shouldn't do the same.)
I think parts like magazine body, follower, and floorplate would count as US-made parts . . . they do on FALs . . . so wouldn't that count as three parts right there?
So now . . . what else is there to work with?
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I would think that there would be some stamped parts that could easily be made in the USA by a manufacture or a small shop. Maybe even made by a good home machinest. Maybe even some round parts.(firing pin??)
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