Beretta Storm idea, whaddya think?
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Fly320s
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That does it!
There has to be someone on this forum who has access to machining/manufacturing. Let's get some US made parts going, get it all approved by the B.A.T.F. and E., and get busy with the modifying.
There has to be someone on this forum who has access to machining/manufacturing. Let's get some US made parts going, get it all approved by the B.A.T.F. and E., and get busy with the modifying.
I think you just add a flash hider, a dot sight, and maybe a flashlight on it.
You would, however, have to get some of this to go with it:
http://www.nightmarearmor.com/
(Note: It wasn't working for me, gave me some strange error. I'll see if you guys have any trouble with it.
You would, however, have to get some of this to go with it:
http://www.nightmarearmor.com/
(Note: It wasn't working for me, gave me some strange error. I'll see if you guys have any trouble with it.
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Another perfectly good weapon, 'mall ninjaed' to death. What a waste of money and time.
Another perfectly good weapon, 'mall ninjaed' to death. What a waste of money and time.
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Some things are a waste of money somethings are worth their weight in gold. For example if a longgun is to be used for homedefense a weapon mounted light is essential. Target identification is not an option its your responsiblity. Optics like the Eotech allow you to shoot far faster and far more accurately. After the 3 gun match the cops with Iron sights were bitching about how unfair it was myself and a few others had Eotech's and Aimpoints. They got beat. Some of those same cops are now asking about where to purchase good optics. I will take every edge I can get in a gun fight.
Pat
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Some things are a waste of money somethings are worth their weight in gold. For example if a longgun is to be used for homedefense a weapon mounted light is essential. Target identification is not an option its your responsiblity. Optics like the Eotech allow you to shoot far faster and far more accurately. After the 3 gun match the cops with Iron sights were bitching about how unfair it was myself and a few others had Eotech's and Aimpoints. They got beat. Some of those same cops are now asking about where to purchase good optics. I will take every edge I can get in a gun fight.
Pat
Some people think spending thousands of dollars on an old single action revolver from the 1800's is a waste of money. If someone likes to add accessories and personalize a gun why would it be a waste of money? I like guns because they are my hobby along with an important part of my career and life. A part of the reason I like guns so much is that you can get them in many configurations and personalize them to your liking much like with cars.
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Some people think spending thousands of dollars on an old single action revolver from the 1800's is a waste of money. If someone likes to add accessories and personalize a gun why would it be a waste of money?
When looking at a photo of a non-stock or uncommon gun, it’s hard NOT to make a personal judgment over whatever “improvements†were made, and sometimes even who would decide to own such a firearm. That’s where I believe some distain or even minor jesting might come in over a tricked-out CX-4.
For many, a very different mental image comes to mind when you contrast the owner of an 1800’s single action (or pre-’64 Model 70, 5-screw Smith, etc.) to those who are fond of such an accessorized Beretta Storm.
It’s just human nature.
Some people think spending thousands of dollars on an old single action revolver from the 1800's is a waste of money. If someone likes to add accessories and personalize a gun why would it be a waste of money?
When looking at a photo of a non-stock or uncommon gun, it’s hard NOT to make a personal judgment over whatever “improvements†were made, and sometimes even who would decide to own such a firearm. That’s where I believe some distain or even minor jesting might come in over a tricked-out CX-4.
For many, a very different mental image comes to mind when you contrast the owner of an 1800’s single action (or pre-’64 Model 70, 5-screw Smith, etc.) to those who are fond of such an accessorized Beretta Storm.
It’s just human nature.
Hmmmm.....vertical foregrip. Comfortable and fast. Makes maneuvering or cornering very easy for movement in tight quarters. Ever shot a carbine with one? Thought not.
Rails to add illuminator/laser. Ever shot with black sights in the dark? Hit anything? Thought not.
Red dot sight/cowitness irons. Faster acquisition and true backup incase of failure. Ever shot for speed? Do very good against dot shooters with your irons? Thought not.
You waste your time berating my idea, and I'll waste mine improving it. Fair enough?
Yikes!....... An old truism says that you don’t have to be too concerned about talking to yourself … until you start getting some answers.
Now my thoughts can’t help but go to pondering whether the pistol carbine proponents should be cut some real slack, and maybe even be given a closer parking spot.
While we appear to be on the same side of the debate, I have trouble with Mannlicher’s premise that we’re starting with a “perfectly good weaponâ€.
Accessories aside, I look forward to further discussions that would help one understand the process of just when the 9X19 became a desirable round for a serious semiauto long gun, and also the merits (or not) of this particular one.
Now my thoughts can’t help but go to pondering whether the pistol carbine proponents should be cut some real slack, and maybe even be given a closer parking spot.
While we appear to be on the same side of the debate, I have trouble with Mannlicher’s premise that we’re starting with a “perfectly good weaponâ€.
Accessories aside, I look forward to further discussions that would help one understand the process of just when the 9X19 became a desirable round for a serious semiauto long gun, and also the merits (or not) of this particular one.
The 9x19 parabellum was considered a serious military round when Germany armed thousands with the venerable MP40. That round took countless lives, unfortunately.
The MP5 has and continues to serve admirably chambered in 9mm all over the world.
Are there better rounds? Yes, but 20 rounds of 9mm+P+ in an accurate, light and handy carbine are not BB's. Think you could survive a few to your center mass? If you're in any doubt, then 9mm might not be so anemic.
The 9x19 parabellum was considered a serious military round when Germany armed thousands with the venerable MP40. That round took countless lives, unfortunately.
The MP5 has and continues to serve admirably chambered in 9mm all over the world.
Are there better rounds? Yes, but 20 rounds of 9mm+P+ in an accurate, light and handy carbine are not BB's. Think you could survive a few to your center mass? If you're in any doubt, then 9mm might not be so anemic.
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The 9mm is a very respectable pistol round. However its stopping power pales compared to rifle rounds like the 223. The day of the MP40 was about the last days of the submachine guns real viablity. Assault rifles were just on the horizon at the point. The German Mp44 was a notable exception. It was the first assault rifle and a better gun to have if you were a german at the time. Submachine guns have been slowly dropped from general use by the military first and later they were replaced in law enforcement by 223 carbines. Pistol rounds just do not have the destructive power of a rifle round. This is why I have the pistol caliber carbine concept. If your in need of a rilfe your likly to need the power that comes with it. Pistol caliber carbines do not have this power. They are simply handguns that allow you to hit more accurately at greater range. They do nothing for power.
Pat
The MP5 has and continues to serve admirably chambered in 9mm all over the world.
Are there better rounds? Yes, but 20 rounds of 9mm+P+ in an accurate, light and handy carbine are not BB's. Think you could survive a few to your center mass? If you're in any doubt, then 9mm might not be so anemic.
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The 9mm is a very respectable pistol round. However its stopping power pales compared to rifle rounds like the 223. The day of the MP40 was about the last days of the submachine guns real viablity. Assault rifles were just on the horizon at the point. The German Mp44 was a notable exception. It was the first assault rifle and a better gun to have if you were a german at the time. Submachine guns have been slowly dropped from general use by the military first and later they were replaced in law enforcement by 223 carbines. Pistol rounds just do not have the destructive power of a rifle round. This is why I have the pistol caliber carbine concept. If your in need of a rilfe your likly to need the power that comes with it. Pistol caliber carbines do not have this power. They are simply handguns that allow you to hit more accurately at greater range. They do nothing for power.
Pat
"If your in need of a rilfe your likly to need the power that comes with it. Pistol caliber carbines do not have this power. They are simply handguns that allow you to hit more accurately at greater range. They do nothing for power"
Agreed. (How 'bout THAT one, Pat? )
And when you want a lower powered round than a .223, but better than a .22LR delivered quickly and accurately, as in my case, the CX4 is perfect.
Agreed. (How 'bout THAT one, Pat?
)And when you want a lower powered round than a .223, but better than a .22LR delivered quickly and accurately, as in my case, the CX4 is perfect.
El Rojo
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Where is the M203 model? I would want one with an attached 40mm grenade launcher.
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