Besides Armalite who is building the Better AR-10 variant

[GAF]

Bought the DPMS LR 308 Oracle last year about this time.
Changed the stock trigger to a JP trigger set at 3.5 pounds.
Only have about 100 rounds through it. I bought it as a deer hunting
rifle. It has been flawless in cold and hot weather.


I would buy this rifle again.

 

[rhinoh]

I'm really amazed at the positive DPMS comments.
Many internet "experts" say anything DPMS is total crap.

That said- I really like my flawless, very accurate, DPMS LR308!

 

[buckhorn_cortez]

Money isn't really a problem, not saying im a millionare, but I've been stuffing my piggy bank to the point its full...

One of the problems is that you haven't said is how you want to use it.

As an example, I have a Les Baer .308 Sniper with a 20-inch barrel and the Enforcer Muzzle Brake.

I wanted a gun strictly for range use and shooting at long distance metal targets for tactical precision rifle competitions. After looking at a number of semi-auto rifles, I chose the Les Baer as it is made for precision shooting, and comes with a 0.5 MOA guarantee.

I had to wait nearly 10 months to get the rifle after it was ordered and it came with two 10 shot, 100 yard targets that were shot and signed by Les Baer - the "large" group measures 0.375 inches...nearly a single hole.

I put a 3.8-25x US Optics scope on the rifle. The setup makes 600 yard shots easy and 960 yard shots (the limit of the range I use) doable when conditions (crosswinds) are favorable.

It is a spectacular custom rifle.

All that being said - it would NOT be the rifle to use for hunting of any type as it weighs 13.5 lbs. with the scope and is a handful trying to shoot it unsupported. It is really a single use rifle for civilian use - gun range target shooting - and would be hard to surpass for that use.

You have to first figure out how you're going to use the rifle. Once you do that, you can start eliminating manufacturers.

If you said, "I want to go hog hunting" - that would point you at a couple of manufacturers and may get you out of the AR platform completely as the FN SCAR 17 would be a real contender for that type of use - and you actually might want to change caliber to something like a Wilson Combat in .458 SOCOM.

If you wanted a hard use "battle rifle" in .308 that would point you at KAC, LaRue, or LWRC.

If you wanted a "general use" .308 then you'd be better off looking at DPMS or Smith & Wesson.

If you wanted a "light weight" rifle then you'd probably want to look at Wilson, JP Rifles and perhaps Noveske.

So, you really need to better define what you want to do with the rifle as that can help narrow down choices to specific manufacturers.

 

[carbine85]

I'm really amazed at the positive DPMS comments.
Many internet "experts" say anything DPMS is total crap.

That said- I really like my flawless, very accurate, DPMS LR308!

Internet experts are everywhere. I believe DPMS started as a military supplier of AR parts.

 

[Strange Bob]

I'm really amazed at the positive DPMS comments.
Many internet "experts" say anything DPMS is total crap.

That said- I really like my flawless, very accurate, DPMS LR308!

I think DPMS has a reputation of taking shortcuts on their 5.56 rifles/carbines. They are a top seller though.

Their GII Recon seems to be built well (from reviews) with some beefed up slicked up features. I think DPMS has a winner here.

 

[mac66]

I have a Ruger SR762. I am very impressed with it. It is accurate and very soft shooting. I took it hunting this year and killed a deer with it.

 

[Justin]

Don't even look at the rest, when you can have the best.

Two letters short on the first one, and five letters short on the second.

 

[Justin]

Realize there are two different patterns. The Armalite pattern with the diagonal rear joint cut, and the KAC/DPMS pattern with a rounded joint. The PMAG was made for the KAC pattern, and eventually Armalite changed their rifles to accept them too. I honestly think the Armalite pattern will go away, they will start to make their rifles with the KAC pattern, because it has become more standardized with the military adoption of the M-110 family of rifles. (I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened already.)

I think that for the long-term availability of parts and accessories, I would go with the KAC/DPMS pattern.

Does the KAC standard specify the low-profile upper receiver, or is that just a new standard that's come out as well?

It seems most of the new accessories are being made for the low-profile uppers.

 

[rbernie]

I've sold most of my Armalites and LR308s and kept the GIIs.

 

[alientrainwreck]

What are y'all's thoughts on the sig saure model 710 its piston driven rifle, I like what I have read about it But not one person has mentioned it, is that bad? Thoughts . I would probly go with lesBaure but I don't want to wait 6 months, maybe I'll have to wait for the next big gun show so I can get my hands on all the different models. But my local gun store has a Bushmaster And a DPMS and a sig the piston driven model , should I just go buy one of these or what ?Thanks for all the info. Oh ya and as far as what it will be used for mostly coyotes and hogs and surely deer kinda a all around battle rifle shooting out to 600 yrds, I have other guns for the long range stuff. Thanks all

 

[grubbylabs]

As far as I am concerned Sig Sour is dead to me, not only did they send me a used part for warranty on a pistol that cost me 1,000, but they had no idea how long it would take, there response when I asked about time, was that I should call them back in 30 days if I had not seen my part. And yes I was very nice on the phone when I called in, I make my living in sales and know what its like to deal with jerk customers, I try very hard not to be one.

Then if you go to the 1911 forum, you will read about a few of us that had the same issue I had, and they told each of us that called that they have never seen or heard of it happening before. So to top it off, they lie, send used parts out for warranty, and have just plain horrible CS policies. To each his own, lots of folks like Sig, but never again for me.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Don't even look at the rest, when you can have the best.

Two letters short on the first one, and five letters short on the second.

Agreed. You couldn't give me that overweight proprietary POS if I wasn't allowed to sell it and buy something worth keeping.

I'm an Armalite fan, loved my 10A2C. I would go with the AR-10A (DPMS mag pattern) I were buying a complete rifle. As it were, I'm sourcing a lot from Ares Armor.

The DPMS has, for the most part, become the standard magazine pattern. Widely available (including P-mags) and cheap. IMO, there's no reason to go with a rifle that can't take them-especially with Armalite now offering models that do.

 

[alientrainwreck]

I think im gonna checkout a new armalite a4c, and the wilson combat ar-10.

 

[Justin]

What are y'all's thoughts on the sig saure model 710 its piston driven rifle, I like what I have read about it But not one person has mentioned it, is that bad? Thoughts.

If you're set on a piston-driven rifle, you're probably better off going with an M1A.

A piston-driven AR-style rifle will end up really limiting your ability to do after-market modification, especially for things like gas blocks and handguards.

On top of that, I suspect that all of the caveats that apply to piston-driven AR15s also apply to AR10s. Since you've got a piston slamming back and forth above the barrel, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the gun has more perceived recoil and muzzle rise, and it may not be as accurate as a standard direct-impingement model.

 

[DammitBoy]

What are y'all's thoughts on the sig saure model 710 its piston driven rifle, I like what I have read about it But not one person has mentioned it, is that bad?

I have the Sig 716 patrol. It is an incredible value for what you get. Built like a tank, accurate and feeds anything. Uses pmags. On the heavy side when compared to 800-1000 308 AR's - more like the 2400-3000 AR's.

 

[HKGuns]

Money isn't really a problem, not saying im a millionare, but I've been stuffing my piggy bank to the point its full... I went offshore drilling job for a few years and I saved every penny possible came home paid off Everything I owed and bought my wife a new truck with cash...ain't that smart.haha

Lots of good advice here.. Man I think that HK is looking good. But don't they all.. Basically I don't want to buy a gun that im gonna have to rebuild to my standards after I buy it. I got that HK on my mind, what about sig don't they make a varaint in 7.62 ..

Here you go, the Package is nice, but not necessary and costs a bunch more than just the rifle. My non package MR is just as accurate, smooth, reliable and easy to clean.

Contrary to what the nay sayers have said, I can throw all sorts of crap on the rails, beyond that there are no modifications required with the HK. Buy it, scope it and shoot it.

Also contrary to the nay sayers, there is no AR10 standard, if you want to play the modularity game you're stuck playing AR15.

Funny how that always comes up from the usual suspects.....where is the Bolt gun "standard?" Hmmmm, still plenty of those proprietary as crap bolt guns sold.......puzzling isn't it! [emoji2]

There are patterns for the AR10, but no "standards" which only furthers the point of buying a great rifle without a lot of necessary modifications.

http://youtu.be/H82xJvh9SE0

 

[alientrainwreck]

Ya, im not doing the m1a, I agree with what HKGUNS said. I think I may just have my local gun shop order me the HK, nobody carries them in stock around here probly because of the cost but I don't think I need worry about ordering I haven't ever heard anything bad about them. From the pics posted It looks to be the gun im looking for.... also didn't FN build an 7.62 I think it was called the SOCOM are they piston driven? I don't think I want a piston operated AR-10.. THANK ALL

 

[HOOfan_1]

I don't think I want a piston operated AR-10.. THANK ALL

THe HK 762 IS piston operated.

FN has the SCAR 17.

How about the KAC SR-25?

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

Let's look at that spare mag in the picture and try to figure out why anyone thinks HK is a contender for "best" in firearms categories

lol, that is funny... that's what happens when you hire someone who knows how to shoot a camera great, but a rifle not so much. Plus, if I was HK I'd fire the ad firm and/or PR people responsible for this ad/picture...

 

[boricua9mm]

If you are looking for a DI gun and you don't mind spending some cash for something that has both combat pedigree and true precision capability, then I think you really should be looking at the SR25 and the MWS.

The Larue OBR family has been giving bolt guns a run for their money in the competition circuit, but I am unaware of any sizable, verified Military or LEO use. In that same vein, you have the JP rifles.

At the end of the day, I would not pretend that you are going to find a rifle that suits all your sensibilities without some swapping. We all prefer certain grips, triggers, stocks, sights, etc. and the likelihood that you will be 100% happy with every detail right out of the box is very low.

 

[HKGuns]

Let's look at that spare mag in the picture and try to figure out why anyone thinks HK is a contender for "best" in firearms categories

Nice attention to detail HS! Very few would have caught that in the picture.

 

[alientrainwreck]

I orderd a KAC SR-25 EC from Buds for $4,800, I think I'll be happy with this gun and if I need to do some trigger work well that's easy enough. But I don't think so. Im betting this gun will be super right out of the box. If im not happy with it I can always do some trading at the next big gun show that will be in a few months.. Thanks everyone for the advice..

 

[dvdcrr]

Or for something a little different...
http://www.ptr91.com

 

[Robert]

For $5,000 it better not need an thing. In fact it should load mags for you when you are not shooting...

 

[alientrainwreck]

That's why I try to buy the best I can get my hands on, like I posted I don't want to buy a gun and then have to rebuild it. Believe it or not what I spent on this rifle is almost a weeks pay when I was offshore drilling inspector.. plus I neede to spend sum money before taxes, varmint control.