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There has been some incredible quoting going on in this thread. I truly admire their work ethic, such diligence.
If more people had experience hunting and paid more attention to actual shooting stats, as opposed to opinions, there wouldn't be nearly as many stopping power/ammo choice related arguments.
Your response is non sequitur. If you had said that civilians have less need for tactics or for long guns, that would make at least be relevant to my comment--but I would still disagree.Manco said:I had civilians in mind, who are less likely to get into shootouts.Loosedhorse said:I would respectfully disagree. To me, an emphasis on better tactics has the broadest applicability, and upgrading from handguns to long guns when the situation requires is next.
Your response is non sequitur. If you had said that civilians have less need for tactics or for long guns, that would make at least be relevant to my comment--but I would still disagree.
Your comment that "civilians" are less likely to get into shootouts argues, if anything, that all preparation for shootouts (tactics, caliber selection, or even going armed at all) are equally unneeded; it does not suggest we should favor any preparation over another.
And by the way, police (other than MPs and SP) are civilians; that includes the FBI.
So, I say "tactics", you "interpret" it to mean something I didn't say, and then delcare I'm wrong? Seems to be your tactic throughout this entire thread, doesn't it?I didn't mean tactics in general, but the sort of tactics that the FBI...
Yes, at all. Tactics are always important, even if you assess your risk as low. Good weapons plus bad tactics leads to getting shot, as the FBI showed in Miami (G-D bless them for their sacrifice.)Not at all
No, right again. Civilian means governed by civil law, not military law. I understand that some people (like you) use the term incorrectly, and therefore some dictionaries--not all--decide to include that incorrect meaning. But police and FBI are governed by civil law, not the UCMJ.Wrong again
So, I say "tactics", you "interpret" it to mean something I didn't say, and then delcare I'm wrong? Seems to be your tactic throughout this entire thread, doesn't it?
Yes, at all. Tactics are always important, even if you assess your risk as low. Good weapons plus bad tactics leads to getting shot, as the FBI showed in Miami (G-D bless them for their sacrifice.)
No, right again. Civilian means governed by civil law, not military law. I understand that some people (like you) use the term incorrectly, and therefore some dictionaries--not all--decide to include that incorrect meaning. But police and FBI are governed by civil law, not the UCMJ.
Psychologists call that projection!you're merely flailing to save face before an audience, namely the rest of this forum, that frankly does not care.
Psychologists call that projection!
So, now you're not only presuming to know what I meant better than I do,
but also to know my motivations and what the rest of the forum members think.
Well, to sum up: you're wrong about everything you've said about me--you shoulda stuck to calibers.
And since you've made this discussion (as was your goal?)
no longer about ammo and recommendations, the game is not worth the candle.
The last word is yours.
I also like the concept of the Hornady Critical Defense rounds, but have heard that there have been issues with defective primers in some lots.
Back to the topic at hand....This may be a dumb question, but does anyone make a jacketed soft point for .380? That seems like it would be a good compromise for penetration, and yet more expansion that just a full metal jacket. I am new to the .380 arena after just purchasing an LCP, and I am not sure which ammo to go with. I am generally a Corbon fan, expensive though.