Best CCW 9mm?

Best CCW 9mm?

  • Smith and Wesson CS9

    Votes: 13 15.5%

  • CZ RAMI 2075 9mm

    Votes: 18 21.4%

  • SIG 239

    Votes: 26 31.0%

  • H&K P7 PSP

    Votes: 27 32.1%
  • Total voters
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You already have a H&K P7 and a Sig 228? With all due respect if both of those pistols are too heavy for you, might I suggest a modest weight training regimen?

:neener:
 
I used to carry a S&W CS45 as my hideout. The CS9 should be just as good. You didn't have two very good pistols listed. Steyr S9 and the XD-9 subcompact.
 
I carry my MK9 Elite around in a pocket holster. It looks like a wallet in my cargo pocket. Prolly not the quickest draw, but it's a really comfortable way to carry. With a good belt, the weight is nothing, really.

I also carry it IWB sometimes, and it's still pleasantly comfortable. I think the key is a good, stiff belt.

Just my .02, YMMV, etc.
 
None of the above...

I need a little more to hold onto than the CS9, 239, or RAMI provide and P7 is one of those guns that you love or hate. You already have a SIG 228 I'd carry that.


David
 
Well, it looks like I have two good guns for this use, the H&K P7 and the SIG 228.
With the lukewarm responses, I guess I'll stick with those for now.
The H&K P7 really did better in the poll than I would have thought, but the SIG 228 seems just a little more natural to me, as well as having greater capacity.
I guess I'm in a holding pattern for now, unless a 9mm RAMI or smith CS9 comes my way used and on the cheap. (Fat chance!)
Thanks to all.
The 239 offers very little advantage over the 228, none that I can think of, that's why I was hesitant to list it. I used it as my 'control group'.
And my 228 has been everything a good mid-size pistol should be.
(Did I mention that I have a USP compact .45 as well?)
I just know that wouldn't have done well in the poll, so I didn't list it.
(It's roughly the same weight as the 239, 228 and the P7.)
 
If I wanted a 9mm for CCW, I'd only consider the G26, XD9 subcompact, or SW99 subcompact, and I'd pick the Glock. I like the Smith and the versatility of its design, but its controls are too finicky for CCW. The Springfield is really nice, but I think I'd go with the Glock because I believe it's trigger system is safer for CCW work.

But I wouldn't get a 9mm for CCW. I'm not anti-9mm, but since I have a choice in the matter, I plan to get a .45 ACP, with a .380 Bersa for a BUG.
 
I think you are really asking for any reason why you shouldn't pick a CS9, since you are really rejecting so many good suggestions in the broader context of your poll's premise.
 
I really listed the options in order of preference, and that was no secret right from the beginning.
I have many good guns for CCW that I didn't disclose, either.
I like the 239, etc., but have enough said guns in the 25 ounce bracket.
The 15 ounce bracket is a little too light for my taste.
As for kahrs, glocks, and the like I just don't like 'em.
No offense, but they're bricks.
I want a good, instinctive,accurate gun that's single stack, and 20 ounces +-1.
I just wondered if I wasn't missing one somewhere.
 
As for kahrs, glocks, and the like I just don't like 'em.
No offense, but they're bricks.
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Kahrs?! BRICKS?!
:confused:

Glocks are bricks ... so are CZs and that Sig and the rest of the guns you have up there in your poll ... especially when compared to a Kahr.

Don't look at the plastic Kahrs (I'm not a big fan of them either), but based on the criteria you've laid out here the Kahr K9 sounds to me like the perfect gun for you. Unless you've shot one and it didn't feel right in your hand then I could see you not wanting one, but I really think you should reconsider the little guys.

"...good, instinctive,accurate gun that's single stack, and 20 ounces +-1." = Kahr :p
 
If I were going to buy one of those listed for daily carry and weight was a factor, I'd give the CS9 a shot... But funds allowing, I'd rather have a kahr with a 3.5" or 4" barrel.

I'd love to have a P7 but oy, the $$$ :p And they're pretty heavy compared to what's listed here.

Looking at some of your comments, have you ever actually fired one of the poly Kahrs? Esp one larger than the PM9? Like them or not, I can't possibly see how anyone that has actually spend some time with one could call a P9 or a TP9 'a brick'! :confused:

Of course, I've been acused of being easily pleased... I recently switched from a Kahr P9 Covert to a SIG 229 as a daily carry and didn't really notice a tremendous difference in weight. It's definately thicker, but I guess I've carried 1911s long enough that anything that weighs much less than 40 something ounces loaded, is relatively OK in my book.
 
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I wonder if a Berretta 9000S, type F might be close to what you want. It's available single action, unlike the rest in that weight class.
 
Right now the 9000 is on sale at Galyans for $319 for DA/SA and $299 for DAO.
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Wow! I'd go for that if I had the dough even with the negative things that I've heard about them.

brad cook
 
I know what you mean: them's Bersa prices. I don't really need another 9mm right now. When I do buy one, it is going to be a high-end target gun, like a G34, but the little Beretta is really tempting.
 
For the sixth or seventh time now, I can't stand kahrs.
Hate 'em. Hate 'em. Hate 'em.
I don't like glocks other than the G20, hate DAO triggers, and can't stand square handguns. Hate para LDA's too. Does that make me bad?
They are just not on my list.
Same with any gun that emulates glock, for the same reason.
I have a G20, I like it. I don't shoot it much anymore, but I just like 10mm weapons.
I got the G20 before the other 10mil pistols, just because they were the easiest to get.
But I like 10 mm pistols, so that's my excuse.
Got a razorback, a 610, a 1076, and the G20.
Different class of pistola.
If H&K made a USP in 10mm, and CZ made a 97b in 10mm, I would have them both.

Frankly, I would have expected a better showing from the RAMI. But it is about as heavy as the 239, so again, very little incentive for me to spend the cash.
 
caz223,

I was hoping you'd address why you aren't interested in the XD pistols since that's been mentioned a few times. Maybe I missed it if you did but if not then why aren't you considering that?

brad cook
 
Summarized it for you

"I want a good, instinctive,accurate gun that's single stack, and 20 ounces +-1."

I hope I got this right:

*9mm
*single action
*single stack
*~20 ounces

Cons

CZ RAMI double stack mag, overweight, double action first shot

H&K double stack, overweight, double action first shot, seriously expensive - reference USP Compact - PSP is out of production (see P7) PSP would likely be a used gun.

Sig 239 - overweight, double action first shot

S&W CS9 - double action first shot

Pros

S&W CS9 - right weight, single stack, single action after first round

Sig 239 - worth considering at slightly heavier weight

I'd say, go get that CS9. My own beef would be an LE type, politically correct safety, which I would rather not have. You have a very wide spread in prices among these choices. That of the CS9 doesnt exactly take your breath away and it is no steal either.

I would just have to question the single action part, because no matter what you pick, that all important first shot is going to be double action. You might want to compare actions and trigger pulls to get real fine about it. I know you don't want to hear it, but Kahr folks have this all figured out.
 
"I want a good, instinctive,accurate gun that's single stack, and 20 ounces +-1."
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Ah, that kind of answers my XD question as the XD isn't single stack. I missed that part.

brad cook
 
For the sixth or seventh time now, I can't stand kahrs.
Hate 'em. Hate 'em. Hate 'em.
I don't like glocks other than the G20, hate DAO triggers, and can't stand square handguns. Hate para LDA's too. Does that make me bad?
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No, that doesn't make you bad ... the irony is that your specific criteria is exactly what a Kahr is.


But thats fine ... you don't like Kahrs ... your loss :neener:


So if you want a single action CCW piece in 9mm, have you looked at the STI LS9 or BLS9?


You might also look at the Sprinfiled Micro Compact in 9mm.

Sounds to me like a compact/subcompact 1911 in 9mm is what you really want ... best way to avoid fat guns with DA triggers (unless they are too square for you).


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I can't believe I forgot this one ... have you looked at a RAP 401? There's a review of the 440 here (the 440 is the .40 version, but you'll get the idea)
 
No, that doesn't make you bad ... the irony is that your specific criteria is exactly what a Kahr is.
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I guess that's what I meant... the Kahr was designed FOR you. Basically single action, smooth consistant trigger, single stack, light weight... Just something about it you don't like...

The thing about the RAMI that kind of surprised me was the first one I handled, I handled along with a P01... While the RAMI is smaller laying on the shelf, I find the PCR/P01 much more comfortable in the hand and the weight difference isn't as much as I would have expected. Not knocking the RAMI as the more options the better, but... it's just not as much lighter weight than the P01 as I expected when the hype or buzz started.
 
Ill second the rap as a fine choice...

smaller than the p239, a little lighter, and a great value..

I kinda miss mine. but the kahr mk9 that replaced it is nice too.
 
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