Best for White Tail Deer

[jc2]

Last I checked, the larger a bullet, the bigger the wound channel/damage to vitals. Bullets don't need calipers to work. If you want to get technical, the .44 Mag is only three one-hundredths larger than a 10mm bullet. Does that mean the .44 Magnum isn't much better than the 10mm, following your logic?

A larger bullet does not necessarily mean a "bigger wound channel/damage to vitals"--particularly when we are comparing bullets as close in size as the .357 and 10mm with only four one hundreths of inch difference in starting diameter. It's not exactly like comparing a .22 to a .416, is it? Bullet design also has a lot to do with it. For example, the .357 Partition Gold will make a "bigger wound channel" and do "more damage to vitals" than the XTP because it's a better bullet (and doesn't have to feed in an autoloader). Another example (and perhaps more obvious) a .357 Magnum 180-grain LFN will leave a larger wound channel and do far more damage damage than 10mm 180-grain FMJ. So, your assumption is not just oversimplistic but wrong.

The remark about the calipers and deer recognizes the fact that you, or the deer for that matter, would need calipers to tell the difference in diameter between the .357 Magnum and the 10mm. Four one hundreths of inch unexpanded diameter is just not much to get excited about. In other words, your assumption is faulty.

Rook, I was commenting on your post (remember I quoted it). You posted, "Fact: 10mm shoots larger diameter bullets [/I]at the same speeds[/I] as the .357." You evidently forgot that little phrase "at the same speeds"--I took the liberty of adding some emphsis this time to help your memory--and, of course, when talking about the .44 Magnum, we'd have to add "at the same weight." The .44 Magnum throws a considerably heavier slug faster--it doesn't have anything to do with the diameter (and the same holds true for the .41 Magnum--it's not the fact that the .41 Magnum is a hundreth of inch bigger in diameter, it's the fact the .41 Magnum throws heavier bullet considerably faster that puts it head and shoulders of the 10mm and the .357 Magnum).

Anyway you cut it, the .357 Magnum and the 10mm are throwing just about the same slugs and just about the same speed (even though the .357 Magnum does a have the advantage of better bullets). For all practical purposes, they deliver the same performance. Both are at the low end of acceptable for deer (and maybe even unacceptable for the larger specimens)--and almost everyone who has contributed to the thread has echoed those sentiments. Nobody faulting you or the 10mm--neither it, nor the .357 Magnum, is the best for deer, but they will both the job (equally well) if you limit your range and pick your shots. There's nothing "unfair" or "picking" on the 10mm (or .357 Magnum) in that (unless you're one of those people who just have to "prove" their choice is better than everyone else's).

 

[JohnKSa]

...are you really interested in the subject or just trying to stir something up? ...you have not made one substantive post--just a couple that look more like "baiting" than anything else and haven't added anything to the discussion.

I'm not going to quibble with you about whether my posts are "substantive" or "add to the discussion".

But here are some relevant facts:

1. You have no authority to qualify nor disqualify posts. If you feel that someone has posted amiss you are free to click the little button that says "report this post to a moderator."
2. There is nothing in the rules of the forum that says posts must be substantive or add to the discussion--only that they must be on topic and polite. If you feel that the rules should be amended then you are free to contact the administrator and petition for a rule change. I did not make the rules, I can not change the rules nor do I even wish to change them--therefore discussing this issue with me is pointless.
3. There is nothing in the rules of the forum that say that a poster must be interested in a topic before posting on the thread. (Although common sense might tell a thinking person that the fact someone has taken the time to read and post on a thread indicates at least a passing interest.)

I asked you a very simple question about some things that you posted. When you answered, I asked for a clarification of an apparent contradiction. You are not required to answer my questions nor are you even under any obligation to read them. If you feel that I'm trying to "stir something up" then you should report me to the mods. Otherwise you should stick to talking about handgun calibers for whitetail deer on this thread.

Ok, back to the topic.

Here's what I'm getting at. I've noticed that many people will quote a glowing record of hunting with a particular cartridge (or cartridge class--in the case of "ballistic twins") and then turn around and state that they don't recommend it. That seems a bit odd to me. If I could say that a particular cartridge had "worked like magic" for me, I wouldn't have any problem recommending it or its ballistic twin to others. Even if a couple of caveats were prudent.

 

[Marshall]

This is somewhat vague to me regarding New Smith N Frames. I have read many articals where folks are handloading above these specs for.45 Colt N-Frames while recommending not going over 1500fps.

Corbon .45 Colt Hunting Ammo


45 Colt Magnum +P 265gr Bonded Core Hollow Point:

Range 0 50 100 125 150 175 200 yards
Veloci 1350 1225 1126 1085 1051 1021 993 fps
Energy 1073 883 745 693 649 612 580.4 ft/lb
Path -0.50 2.65 0.00 -3.82 -9.48 -17.0 -26.76 in


They other loads as well



From CorBon:

CorBon has given the 45 COLT cartridge hunting loads worthy of the designation: Magnum. These are true high performance loads with the attached +P as an additional caution. In the appropriate modern hunting pistol, our .45 COLT Magnum lods give near 44 Magnum performance with markedly less recoil.

This is NOT plinking ammo, this load should only be used in those guns that have the steel to handle the power. Guns in .45 COLT that are built on heavy duty frames, such as the Ruger, Freedom Arms, Colt Anaconda, and Thompson-Center Contender will handle this load with authority. This load is NOT intended for handguns such as older Smith & Wesson, Colt Single Action Army, or the Colt clones imported single action revolvers. Common sense needs to prevail! THIS IS NOT COWBOY AMMO!



CorBon,

I have just purchased a New S&W Model 25 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. Can I use your Hunting Ammo without damaging the gun?

Thanks you.



I'll pass on their reply.

 

[Marshall]

Here's the reply from CorBon. I am very impressed, that was fast response!



Marshall,

We used a S&W 25-5 to develop our hunting loads in 45 Colt. Yes it is safe to use in your 25 Mtn gun.

Mike Shovel
Sales Manager
COR-BON/Glaser

 

[twoblink]

.357Mag from Buffalo Bore out of a 18" rifle like a Marlin.. That's the answer

Ballsticially better than a 30-30.. Deer Jerky maker..