Best Hunting Caliber?

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And this is where we all take a deep breath, go outside for a walk,
then return hours or days from now to continue the discussion
with camaraderie, understanding that misunderstanding happens,
and that we are walking on the high road.
 
Very well put, Nematocyst. Every time this thread shows up w a response I check it and these three are still battling it out with the bones of the dead and rotting horse. :uhoh:

I think it's time we agree to disagree, fellas. :D

Done, done. On to the next one.
 
and when you thought it is all over... hold I heard that .204 ruger is very good caliber ;-) never had one, but I have buddy who swears it can be used on soft targets size of the pig :)) it uses 22-250 brass but neck sized to accept 20 cal bullets, what I heard its very fast and very deadly...
 
.204 ruger [...] it uses 22-250 brass but neck sized to accept 20 cal bullets
Nope, it is .222RM necked down to .20cal. Still a flat shootin' booger (somewhere in the neighborhood of .22-250/.220Swift).

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Thank you Maverick, I just learn it myself did a search on it... It is fast 40 gr travels 4000 fps with energy to drop good size deer that's 1800 joules.. that's a lot of energy...
 
I don't know, call me wierd or something. I tend to really not care what someone hunts with as long as it's legal.

Personally, I am a .30-06 Springfield man. When I first got into hunting and investigating all the rounds out there, I noticed that a lot of items were compared to the .30-06. I figured after seeing a 50 dollar box for some wierd round, that I should at least look at the .30-06. Ammo was suddenly a lot cheaper, and I found a used Remington 721 with a scope for under 300 dollars. I also found that M2 Ball Surplus ammo allowed me to get some good trigger time and get used to the rifle. I've also noticed that when I forgot my ammo at home in a rush to get packed for a hunting trip, that Wal-Mart stocks at least a soft point or two in that caliber and the disaster was averted. If I had used some WWJD round, I might have been SOL.
 
Here is a runner. Was shot with an 180gr 30.06 federal trophy bonded bearclaw at night, with a 3-12x56 RD. The bullet hit him in the lungs right after the front legs and the blood sprayed to the back with all the running. It is forbidden here in Portugal to illuminate the animals so it was dark, with some moonlight. I took the shot to the valley as soon has I saw where the boar’s head was (we always need to know were the head is but only to know where the other vitals are - heart and lungs). Here boars only come out at night (usually you don’t see them during the day unless in summer larger days), so in most hunts you just hear some noise (corn cracking from smashing teeth) and see a dark target, sometimes even in the shadows (older boars avoid putting their feet in the moonlight, they walk by the darker areas). In these conditions, we need a margin of 10 to 15 cm (4 to 6 inches) to prevent that a non detectable movement of the boar’s body (we are from 70 to 100 meters away, sometimes ever further) make us ruin the rest of the night forcing us to track a dangerous wounded animal in the bushes. This guy, although mortally shot, run for more than 70 meters. After the glare we can’t see sh*t for a few seconds so we can only hear his footsteps and bush breaking. Luckily he stopped in a clean area.

My father on the right:
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Quoting Purgatory: “Hey, isn't that a pig (speak of the devil) right there in the middle of that dirt road in the second to last pic?”

Nop, but here is a small bastard:

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This one was taken with a 35mm pentax in panoramic mode some yeas ago. I bet that if you see a bunch of these guys coming out of the bushes 8 or 10 meters away from you, at night, you would trade a .223 for a larger caliber real fast, lol. We cannot use automatic weapons here, only semi-automatics (with two bullets in the magazine and one in the chamber – max) and bolt actions. These boars are medium size (60 to 70 kg):

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Quote: Does all of Portugal look like it came out of a painting?”

We have a great climate because we are the western country of Europe, very close to Africa and the Mediterranean see, and half of our country faces the Atlantic ocean (to the west and south). Terrorists don’t give a flying f*** about us so we receive tourists from all parts of the world, lol

Miles and miles of beaches
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With some rough terrain too, lol
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Some villages by the sea
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In the interior of the country we have less people and houses
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Young people left for big cities, leaving only few old people in interior villages
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Well, it’s old europe
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It’s all very quiet and peaceful
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We don’t have dangerous animals like bears ou poison snakes, just imbecile dogs, lololol. Here’s mine
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But they are a real help spotting small and big game (don’t require much training).
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Small country but lots of fun things to do :D
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Quoting Purgatory: “Hey, isn't that a pig (speak of the devil) right there in the middle of that dirt road in the second to last pic?”

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Mystery solved, lol
 
That's hilarious, Fernando. I even blew the pic way up and it looked like a light colored pig with big upper torso and head and smaller back end. Please offer your faithful hound my sincerest apologies. :D

Wow, I think you're one of the luckiest people alive today. You say all the young people moved away to the bigger cities? -And you live THERE?

You've got one heck of a nice corner of the globe there. I wouldn't rather live anywhere else.

Your pics are excellent. Everyone one of 'em. If you could manage to take that quality of pics on your upcoming hunts throughout the hunt, I would certainly take the time to check out the thread about it. That's fantastic.

Thanks for teasing us with all that is taken for granted around there.

Carry on. :)

P.S. LOVE how you just pick up the dead hog and toss him in the back of the Benz.
 
Quote: “You say all the young people moved away to the bigger cities? -And you live THERE?”

I live in the big city too, in Lisbon, Portugal’s capital, but spend most of weekends, holidays and vacations in those lands, that are 200km away from Lisbon.

Quote: “Please offer your faithful hound my sincerest apologies”

My dog has forgiven you. Please accept the rabbit, lololololol

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Quote: “If you could manage to take that quality of pics on your upcoming hunts throughout the hunt”

Have lots of pics in small game hunts, with the dog, but in big game hunts I usually let the gun speak prior to the canon (the 350D makes noise when lifting the mirror to take the picture, or to rotate some of the lenses, and boars would hear it and run). And my girlfriend prefers the bacon to a good pic :D

If someone opens a thread about hunting pictures I will post a few pics.

Quote: “LOVE how you just pick up the dead hog and toss him in the back of the Benz”

Well, it’s not so funny when you go alone, lol. The damn dog never helps in the picking up part and you end up covered in blood like a vampire. When they are obviously bigger, I use the towing hook and drag them, but when facing a medium sized I always end up saying: “I can do it, I can lift it”, lol. And once you started the task, you will try desperately to finish it. That’s when things get messy, lolol

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Oh, that ol' chewed up thing? It looks more like he's daring me to take it. :D

Well, it's great to see what you're missing in the world.

Hope to see more of your adventures.

Maybe someone will start a good hunting thread soon.

Deer season isn't far off and hog is in season all year round in my neck o' the woods.

Maybe I'll get a chance to put some pics together of my coming hog hunt.

Happy Hunting. ;)
 
RE: I can't see arguing about it. Most anything mentioned above is going to drop a hog. They don't need much killing..... If you do a whole bunch of aiming.

I don't know what planet you hunt hog on, but on earth pigs do indeed require much killing. And FLAvalanche, I'm sure that you have killed pigs with your kid's cap gun, but you seem to be the only person on earth that can hit a pig and guarantee that it goes nowhere. The last one I shot was with a .500 S&W Magnum through both lungs and it fell, got up and ran about 50 yards. It died in brush so thick that we didnt feel safe going in until the next day. Anyone who says that they can guaranatee a big game animal drops or only runs a few yards with a lung/shoulder shot simply isn't leveling with us. All you .223 fans, go ahead and spin your yarns. You're either not as experienced as you claim or you own a magical, mystical lightning-bolt of a .223 that the rest of us don't possess. It isn't legal in many places for big game, no professional hunters use or recommend it on big game, the makers and marketers don't recommend it on big game, and hunting journalists don't recommend it. So the vast majority of the most experienced hunters in the world are either wrong or the few of you are. I know who my money is on.
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I've got to agree with the above. I hunt hogs quite regularly and with quite a passion , they're the scourge of the earth around here. And for the record , if you insist on carrying a .223 you won't go with me , nor will *any* guide hereabouts take you out and you won't get access to most of the private land. There's been a couple of incidents in the last couple of years with folks getting zipped by hogs because they were well undergunned and one of those was with an AR , guy walked up on the hog after shooting it twice in the boileroom with his .223 and it got up and lived long enough to come very close to killing him before one of his buddies put three .44 mags in it. In the Brush I personally use a .44 mag with the same load I use for bear defense ( 300 grain XTP over 21.5-22 grains ww296 or h110) or a .30-30 with stout 170s or my old reliable guide gun in .45-70 , longer ranges 7mm mag ,.257 roberts ( with careful shot selection and placement) , shot a few with the .375 rum. Over the years I've shot them with many different calibers from .243 to .416 mag. But then again I shoot more hogs in a year than many folks do in decades , last year was a light year and I still took over fifty.

The chances of wounding a hog with too light of a caliber and having to track it in heavy brush are too fraught with bad consequences to go out undergunned , especially here where 300 and up is fairly normal and 400 and up is quite common. And around here it's almost gauranteed that if you would one it's going into heavy brush in one of the canyons , in addition we're so over-run with the beasties that the family groups are fairly large and quite bold , I recently shot one from my front porch that ignored my dogs and the fact that I bounced rocks off him in an attempt to get him to leave my garden , a 300 grain A-frame over 100 grains of IMR7828 at just under 3000 fps out of my .375 rum (26 inch shilen barrel) solved the problem quite nicely. Could I have utilised something else , of course I could , .45-70 ,.35 whelen and one down the scale to .22-250 a.i. ( my coyote rig) but I wanted him anchored to the spot and DEAD.

And certain folks here can natter on nonsensically all they care to about .223 , I've seen too many hogs run off when hit fair and square with too light a caliber , in addition I've seen too many folks use a lightly constructed slug and have it break up on the rib plates or on a shoulder.

Anyone recommending .223 as an ideal hog round is handing out exceeding bad advice ,period. ANd said advice could have deleterious consequences to the individual having to track a wounded hog into heavy brush/cover and dispatch a wounded animal. But hey what would I know ,I've only been shooting the ugly b*****ds for 35 years.
 
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RE: I can't see arguing about it. Most anything mentioned above is going to drop a hog. They don't need much killing..... If you do a whole bunch of aiming.

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Whatever. You also don't have what would be considered large hogs , and don't bother argueing the point with *me* , I've quite literally hunted hogs from coast to coast in this country ,including down in your neck of the woods and the rest of the southeast , try that live catch stuff out here on the west coast and you'll get a bunch of dogs killed and get sliced up right quick like.

By the way the one I spoke of that i shot in my garden went 517 lbs. And spare us the " I'll take the advice of the worlds largest hunting club the U.S. Army" , because that's a load of rubbish.

And said rubbish that you're spouting is potentially dangerous to the inexperienced individual , you do them a grave disservice with such socalled advice. Recommending that someone go out undergunned for potentially dangerous game is irresponsible.
 
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Last friday I went to the forest in late afternoon and seated my ass in the deepest part of a valley. The boxes with the corn were 90 meters above, at the middle of the next hill. There was some light in the sky when I arrived, so I tried to be completely silent. When true darkness hit me in the valley, I heard noise about 15 to 20 meters to my left and rear. A pack of boars had spend the day in the freshness of the valley, heard me coming and awaited for the dark to leave, lol. The area had heavy and tall bushes so I couldn’t take a shot. I had to stay there and hear all those pigs find their way out.

Luckily there were no small pigs in the pack, because if there were their mother would have looked around for me in the dark, lolol. It wouldn’t be the first time they do that.

Trust me, there are times when even my 30.06 seems quite small, lol.
 
Anyone recommending .223 as an ideal hog round is handing out exceeding bad advice ,period.

What you really need to do is pay attention to what people post before you jump on your soap box. Nobody here said it was ideal. The OP wanted a single rifle to hunt coyote, hog and hares.

I feel the .223/5.56 platform is a good choice for what the OP wants.

No, I don't have a magical .223. And hogs aren't the mystical beasts that shake off 155mm howitzer rounds you make them out to be.

You won't have to worry about me wanting to hunt with you or any of your guides.
 
The OP's concerns were pretty well answered on Page 1, when you get right down to the nitty-gritty.

Fernando, thanks very much for some beautiful photography. Feel free to start a thread any time with your hunting pictures.

But enough for now...
 
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