Best place for extra shells on shotgun? Indicate how many shells in your post.
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xx7grant7x
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Aguila! you must be sporting a winchester 1300
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Mesa Tactical SureShell carriers for Benelli
For now, I am using this..but in the 4-shell version:
But, if the former setup gives me problems then I will replace it with this:
For now, I am using this..but in the 4-shell version:
But, if the former setup gives me problems then I will replace it with this:
On my Mossberg 500, I have 8+1 capacity and I have a receiver side saddle with (4) 00 buck an (2) rubber pellet buck and i have a buttstock saddle that holds (5) slugs.
All in all, 20 rounds on my shotgun. Hanging in the closet I have a 55 round bandolier with 00 buck and slugs ready to go.
All in all, 20 rounds on my shotgun. Hanging in the closet I have a 55 round bandolier with 00 buck and slugs ready to go.
gentleman987
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Dont really see a need for more than 5 shells if i have to shoot that many times then im screwed so i keep em all in the magazine
I keep some of my shells in a 20-round drum mag.. .the extra shells I just throw in magazines and keep em just in case the first 20 isn't enough. I'd recommend this setup to anyone that thinks they need some real firepower in a hurry. Otherwise stick with a pump action or something.
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357wheelgunner
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I've tried almost every way to carry spare ammunition on the gun. I started with a side saddle, then moved to a buttcuff, then back to a side saddle....I will be pulling it off next week when my shorter barrel and mag extension arrive. I just don't trust the carrier to not catch on something, or cause the gun to malfunction in some way. I've tightened the screws for the side saddle too much, causing the action to bind, and I've had a cheap buttcuff fly off during use.
I keep 6 slugs and 6 rounds of buckshot (along with a spare pistol magazine and a flashlight) in one of these, looped around the barrel of my HD gun, because I can sling it over my neck no matter what I'm wearing, or not wearing at the time:
I keep 6 slugs and 6 rounds of buckshot (along with a spare pistol magazine and a flashlight) in one of these, looped around the barrel of my HD gun, because I can sling it over my neck no matter what I'm wearing, or not wearing at the time:
earlthegoat2
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uh, the chamber, then the magazine
TeamPrecisionIT
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I shoot ambidextrously so having ammo on the shotgun doesn't work real well for me, so I have a carry pouch that goes on my person in the event the shotgun needs to be deployed into action.
Damian
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I hunt upland game birds with my Browning BSS 12 gauge. I wear a belt with 25 loops and will support my side arm...
I wonder how many BGs some of you guys are planning on meeting, on the other hand, better to have it and not need it then the reverse. After over 45 years of schleping weapons around professionally, and having taught some 5,000 folks to use tactical weapons, I have come to some moderately clear conclusions:
1. Simpler is always better, even(maybe especially) for pros
2. If you are maintaining a static defensive position you can have more ammo
3. If you assume a static defensive position, do NOT change your tactics in the middle of an active scenario-assuming your initial tactics were thought out
4. Always carry your extra ammo in the same place, train as you will fight
5. You will NOT need a lot of ammo for a HD situation, this is HD not a revolution or social breakdown
6. Never, but NEVER, mix ammo in a magazine, or in an ammo carrier, to do so is courting tactical and legal disaster
I have tried carrying extra SG ammo just about everywhere on me and the weapon. On me, pouches containing 5-6 rounds of the same type of ammo seem to work best. On the weapon, the best is a speed feed stock for 4 rounds, or a butt cuff with 4-6 rounds. I find side saddles have the following drawbacks:
1. If not installed exactly properly they can(will) shoot loose, or bind the action
2. upset the weapon balance laterally and fore/aft
3. Possibly affect the functions of recoil operated semi auto weapons
The butt cuff will not do any of the above, except add weight on the stock, which will not affect recoil operated weapons due to the aft placement. The butt cuff must be good quality and NOT move, secure it either by tight fit, velcro, or snaps or glue it in place-not with Elmers glue.
The reason you do not want to mix ammo is because in the aftermath of a HD shooting(and there WILL be an aftermath), you do not want to be asked by the attorney for the deceased why you did not use the less deadly rounds you had available, or why you used the most destructive rounds you had available. This is why having any less lethal ammo even available is not a good idea.
All professional organizations (police mlitary etc) have policies in place prohibiting the mixing of ammo in mags and carriers. Many even prohibit the carrying of more than one type of ammo at a time. There are very sound reasons for this, and even though I like having a couple of slugs available, I avoid carrying any more than 2 types of ammo. Which ammo BTW is ALWAYS buckshot or slugs, nothing else, and I mean nothing.
In some places, Kosovo and Bosnia come to mind, we used shtoguns more than any other weapon, and after shooting a few rounds under pressure one tends to forget what rounds he put where.
In fact it was experience in those 2 places that led to the using of different colored stocks for weapons with less lethal ammo in them, usually orange or yellow.
Obviously some folks (including me) forgot exactly in what order the ammo was loaded in, and when picking ammo from pouch or bandoleer grabbed the "wrong" round.
I know I am kind of a crank on this matter, but I have been actively involved in absolutely every aspect of defensive shootings, and some really unpleasant stuff can come down on well intentioned folks.
Two other rules to remember:
1. If something can go wrong-it WILL
2. No good deed goes unpunished
Covered under #2 above is using ammo that is less likely to be lethal, like birdshot. You do not want two versions of what happened available to police or attorneys, sorry but that is the way it is. If you are going to use lethal force, make it lethal, and then be able to articulate why you did so clearly and BRIEFLY. "I thought I and my family were going to be killed so I shot him to stop him".
OK EOR (end of rant)
1. Simpler is always better, even(maybe especially) for pros
2. If you are maintaining a static defensive position you can have more ammo
3. If you assume a static defensive position, do NOT change your tactics in the middle of an active scenario-assuming your initial tactics were thought out
4. Always carry your extra ammo in the same place, train as you will fight
5. You will NOT need a lot of ammo for a HD situation, this is HD not a revolution or social breakdown
6. Never, but NEVER, mix ammo in a magazine, or in an ammo carrier, to do so is courting tactical and legal disaster
I have tried carrying extra SG ammo just about everywhere on me and the weapon. On me, pouches containing 5-6 rounds of the same type of ammo seem to work best. On the weapon, the best is a speed feed stock for 4 rounds, or a butt cuff with 4-6 rounds. I find side saddles have the following drawbacks:
1. If not installed exactly properly they can(will) shoot loose, or bind the action
2. upset the weapon balance laterally and fore/aft
3. Possibly affect the functions of recoil operated semi auto weapons
The butt cuff will not do any of the above, except add weight on the stock, which will not affect recoil operated weapons due to the aft placement. The butt cuff must be good quality and NOT move, secure it either by tight fit, velcro, or snaps or glue it in place-not with Elmers glue.
The reason you do not want to mix ammo is because in the aftermath of a HD shooting(and there WILL be an aftermath), you do not want to be asked by the attorney for the deceased why you did not use the less deadly rounds you had available, or why you used the most destructive rounds you had available. This is why having any less lethal ammo even available is not a good idea.
All professional organizations (police mlitary etc) have policies in place prohibiting the mixing of ammo in mags and carriers. Many even prohibit the carrying of more than one type of ammo at a time. There are very sound reasons for this, and even though I like having a couple of slugs available, I avoid carrying any more than 2 types of ammo. Which ammo BTW is ALWAYS buckshot or slugs, nothing else, and I mean nothing.
In some places, Kosovo and Bosnia come to mind, we used shtoguns more than any other weapon, and after shooting a few rounds under pressure one tends to forget what rounds he put where.
In fact it was experience in those 2 places that led to the using of different colored stocks for weapons with less lethal ammo in them, usually orange or yellow.
Obviously some folks (including me) forgot exactly in what order the ammo was loaded in, and when picking ammo from pouch or bandoleer grabbed the "wrong" round.
I know I am kind of a crank on this matter, but I have been actively involved in absolutely every aspect of defensive shootings, and some really unpleasant stuff can come down on well intentioned folks.
Two other rules to remember:
1. If something can go wrong-it WILL
2. No good deed goes unpunished
Covered under #2 above is using ammo that is less likely to be lethal, like birdshot. You do not want two versions of what happened available to police or attorneys, sorry but that is the way it is. If you are going to use lethal force, make it lethal, and then be able to articulate why you did so clearly and BRIEFLY. "I thought I and my family were going to be killed so I shot him to stop him".
OK EOR (end of rant)
jakemccoy
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Thank you for the info folks. Jack, that's particularly useful info.
Sir Aardvark
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I took a shotgun class with Bill Murphy - Bill is a Huntington Beach, CA SWAT Officer and runs the Shotgun course at Gunsite, along with also running his own firearms training business in Southern California.
He was able to pass-on some pearls of wisdom based on his years of experience of having actually "Been There, Done That".
Bill's shotgun is a Remington 870 Police Model with the basic 4-shot magazine, no extension tube, and an 18" Rifle-sighted barrel.
He has stated that he has never been in a firefight with a shotgun where he has had to fire more than 3 rounds.
He has a 6-shot sidesaddle from Adventurer's Outpost where he carries Buckshot.
He states that the sidesaddle from Adventurer's Outpost is the ONLY sidesaddle that has not failed during the Gunsite's 5-day shotgun course - other sidesaddles will shear off the metal screws that hold them to the receiver, thus making the shotgun inoperable.
Also, receiver-mounted sights, such as ghost-ring sights, tend to become disengaged from the receiver during this 5-day course, that's why he recommends the rifle-sighted barrel.
He also has a Butt-Cuff that he carries slugs in.
In addition to the slugs in his Butt-cuff, he also carries 2 slugs in his right pocket - this is because the Huntington Beach Police Dept. requires its officers to be certified to shoot slugs, and not all officers have taken the training class - so... just in case one of his fellow officers hands Bill his shotgun, Bill will now have a slug available, no matter what.
The main point of all of the above is that Bill keeps ALL of his Buckshot on the LEFT side of the shotgun, and ALL of the Slugs on the RIGHT side of the shotgun, or, in his RIGHT pocket.
This makes it very simple to remember what it is that you're loading into your gun: BUCKSHOT=LEFT; SLUGS=RIGHT.
Bill carries his 4-shell magazine loaded with only 3 shells of Buckshot, this way he can transition quickly to a Slug by either loading it through the magazine port, or by doing a "Combat Reload" by tossing it into the open receiver. He strongly recommends against loading magazines with mixed ammo, because you're either going to forget whats in there, or, the round that's next might not be the one that you need.
I find it funny how more than a few people completely accessorize their shotgun with all of the Tacti-Cool stuff that's available, but, they really have no idea of the quality or utility of all of the parts that they have just installed.
If you have not already taken a Shotgun training class, I highly recommend that you do.
He was able to pass-on some pearls of wisdom based on his years of experience of having actually "Been There, Done That".
Bill's shotgun is a Remington 870 Police Model with the basic 4-shot magazine, no extension tube, and an 18" Rifle-sighted barrel.
He has stated that he has never been in a firefight with a shotgun where he has had to fire more than 3 rounds.
He has a 6-shot sidesaddle from Adventurer's Outpost where he carries Buckshot.
He states that the sidesaddle from Adventurer's Outpost is the ONLY sidesaddle that has not failed during the Gunsite's 5-day shotgun course - other sidesaddles will shear off the metal screws that hold them to the receiver, thus making the shotgun inoperable.
Also, receiver-mounted sights, such as ghost-ring sights, tend to become disengaged from the receiver during this 5-day course, that's why he recommends the rifle-sighted barrel.
He also has a Butt-Cuff that he carries slugs in.
In addition to the slugs in his Butt-cuff, he also carries 2 slugs in his right pocket - this is because the Huntington Beach Police Dept. requires its officers to be certified to shoot slugs, and not all officers have taken the training class - so... just in case one of his fellow officers hands Bill his shotgun, Bill will now have a slug available, no matter what.
The main point of all of the above is that Bill keeps ALL of his Buckshot on the LEFT side of the shotgun, and ALL of the Slugs on the RIGHT side of the shotgun, or, in his RIGHT pocket.
This makes it very simple to remember what it is that you're loading into your gun: BUCKSHOT=LEFT; SLUGS=RIGHT.
Bill carries his 4-shell magazine loaded with only 3 shells of Buckshot, this way he can transition quickly to a Slug by either loading it through the magazine port, or by doing a "Combat Reload" by tossing it into the open receiver. He strongly recommends against loading magazines with mixed ammo, because you're either going to forget whats in there, or, the round that's next might not be the one that you need.
I find it funny how more than a few people completely accessorize their shotgun with all of the Tacti-Cool stuff that's available, but, they really have no idea of the quality or utility of all of the parts that they have just installed.
If you have not already taken a Shotgun training class, I highly recommend that you do.
357wheelgunner
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Anyone have a link to this side saddle, and know the difference between it and the Tacstar unit?
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Sir Aardvark said:
I understand that your "instructor" advised you that certain aftermarket parts are not as good quality as what you mentioned, but in some departments, you can train with a stock factory weapon and add the aftermarket parts later. I'm not sure if the course you are talking about requires you to train with EVERYTHING that will be on your shotgun or you plan to put on it, but in my department, you train with the shotgun you bring and are certified with it forever. You can add whatever the heck you want afterwards, as long as you: 1) use the ammo the dept gives you 2) keep only 4 rounds in the mag (even if you have an 8 rnd extension) 3) qualify with the shotgun once a year.
Just because certain parts are deemed "crap" during a training course, doesn't mean you can't use them in the field. The way you use your shotgun in the field may not ALWAYS be as punishing as a training course. I know for a fact that what you say is valid, because of course a tactical shotgun qualification and training course is going to beat up your gun and the parts on it. It is better to just take EVERYTHING OFF and use the bare, factory shotgun to qualify/train, and slap on the goodies afterwards. That way you can have the best of both worlds. Plus, it is easier to train with the crap off. I know people say, "Train with what you are going to use," but I am a firm believer of saving parts and money. Why waste $70 dollars worth of upgrades during a rough training course, when you can just take it all off and put it all back on? It's kind of like running a PT gauntlet while wearing your finest Armani suit. Why not just run the gauntlet in your underwear and put the suit on later? Yes, feel free to flame my clothing analogy
I understand that your "instructor" advised you that certain aftermarket parts are not as good quality as what you mentioned, but in some departments, you can train with a stock factory weapon and add the aftermarket parts later. I'm not sure if the course you are talking about requires you to train with EVERYTHING that will be on your shotgun or you plan to put on it, but in my department, you train with the shotgun you bring and are certified with it forever. You can add whatever the heck you want afterwards, as long as you: 1) use the ammo the dept gives you 2) keep only 4 rounds in the mag (even if you have an 8 rnd extension) 3) qualify with the shotgun once a year.
Just because certain parts are deemed "crap" during a training course, doesn't mean you can't use them in the field. The way you use your shotgun in the field may not ALWAYS be as punishing as a training course. I know for a fact that what you say is valid, because of course a tactical shotgun qualification and training course is going to beat up your gun and the parts on it. It is better to just take EVERYTHING OFF and use the bare, factory shotgun to qualify/train, and slap on the goodies afterwards. That way you can have the best of both worlds. Plus, it is easier to train with the crap off. I know people say, "Train with what you are going to use," but I am a firm believer of saving parts and money. Why waste $70 dollars worth of upgrades during a rough training course, when you can just take it all off and put it all back on? It's kind of like running a PT gauntlet while wearing your finest Armani suit. Why not just run the gauntlet in your underwear and put the suit on later? Yes, feel free to flame my clothing analogy
357wheelgunner
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You train with what you use because you don't want parts on a defensive weapon that could fail when you need them most.
Why the hell would anyone use parts that fail in a training class?
wnycollector
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I have a maverick 88 security that I store "cruiser ready" loaded with low recoil 00 buck. I have 6 extra 00 buck rounds on a elastic butt cuff. Elastic butt cuffs are notorious for moving/sliding around and mine was no different. After posting a question about my problem, I unscrewed the recoil pad and slid the edge of the cuff under it. Tightened it back and it stays in place just fine! Thanks again Gottahaveone!
I also store two extra low recoil slugs in a bullet wrap that mounts on the barrel/mag tube. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=451625
I also store two extra low recoil slugs in a bullet wrap that mounts on the barrel/mag tube. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=451625
Dave McCracken
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I forget who made the first SS, like the one on my HD 870. It's been on there since the early 80s. Comes off when I deep clean, goes back on.
At least 1K shells through it that time, more likely 2K. Mostly buck and slugs. When I did 3 gun with it, typical COFs ran 50-60 rounds, shot inside rather short time frames.
No probs to report.
This SS holds 5, had to trim it one rounds worth so it'd fit around the base to the Lyman peep sight.
2 round extension, and kept loaded with 5 rounds in the mag.
The SS holds 3 rounds of buck and two slugs, JIC.
Once or twice a year I take it out, fire off the rounds in the mag and the two slugs, clean it and load it up with fresh stuff.
No probs there either.
At least 1K shells through it that time, more likely 2K. Mostly buck and slugs. When I did 3 gun with it, typical COFs ran 50-60 rounds, shot inside rather short time frames.
No probs to report.
This SS holds 5, had to trim it one rounds worth so it'd fit around the base to the Lyman peep sight.
2 round extension, and kept loaded with 5 rounds in the mag.
The SS holds 3 rounds of buck and two slugs, JIC.
Once or twice a year I take it out, fire off the rounds in the mag and the two slugs, clean it and load it up with fresh stuff.
No probs there either.
JohnBT
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"The shotgun will be propped in corner, muzzle down."
I keep 5 extra shells in a second shotgun next to the first shotgun. I won't be doing any house clearing. If I need to go downstairs for some bizarre reason, I have plenty of ammo handy.
John
I keep 5 extra shells in a second shotgun next to the first shotgun. I won't be doing any house clearing. If I need to go downstairs for some bizarre reason, I have plenty of ammo handy.
John
JohnBT
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"you do not want to be asked by the attorney for the deceased why you did not use the less deadly rounds you had available, or why you used the most destructive rounds you had available. This is why having any less lethal ammo even available is not a good idea."
If I even get on the stand. Don't assume facts not in evidence. The burden of proof is on them, right?
Answer: It was dark when the unfortunately-now-deceased broke into my home by kicking down the door and woke me up and being a hunter the only shells I had to defend myself with were hunting loads...slugs, buckshot, Hevi-Shot and bird shot.
Nothing like the truth.
John
If I even get on the stand. Don't assume facts not in evidence.
The burden of proof is on them, right?Answer: It was dark when the unfortunately-now-deceased broke into my home by kicking down the door and woke me up and being a hunter the only shells I had to defend myself with were hunting loads...slugs, buckshot, Hevi-Shot and bird shot.
Nothing like the truth.
John
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