Best rear Iron sight for AR w/ FSB

[herrwalther]

The only sight I would trust on a true AR battle rifle is the one I took to actual battle. This sight was on all my issued rifles from 2008 until I got out. Never had it fail or heard of it failing from others. It works standard with the A2 front sight post. I have other sights for lighter or cheaper builds, but these sights are by far the strongest.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...15-usgi-backup-iron-rear-sight-prod26575.aspx

 

[BigBlue 94]

I think it was back in 2012 that Troy hired Dale Monroe, one of the FBI HRT snipers at the Ruby Ridge murders

Guess that was before my time. Never heard of any of that. Of course I was 8 years old in 1995 so no wonder. I obviously didnt mean to derail the thread slightly.

 

[BigBlue 94]

The only sight I would trust on a true AR battle rifle is the one I took to actual battle. This sight was on all my issued rifles from 2008 until I got out. Never had it fail or heard of it failing from others. It works standard with the A2 front sight post. I have other sights for lighter or cheaper builds, but these sights are by far the strongest.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...15-usgi-backup-iron-rear-sight-prod26575.aspx

I recently stumbled onto that sight. Looks like a winner.

 

[BigBlue 94]

There are TONS of counterfeit Troys out there....about the only way to get a real set is buy em direct.

The first set I bought at a show was bogus. They looked 100% real, fake CAGE numbers and everything- but the detents were sloppy and the pins started falling out.
Only careful comparison of the lettering font finally proved they werent real.

Oh well, live and learn.....

Ah well i dont shop at shows anymore... Too much of that going on right now. Maybe ill go back in the future. I buy my stuff from Midway or Brownells. Or a few others for cheaper parts.

 

[rbernie]

Rant off.

You do you, and I will do me.

I will not knowingly reward what I see as bad behavior. It doesn’t matter to me whether that concerns a domestic supplier or an international source - if they are actively working in opposition to the things that I value, I see no reason why I should facilitate their goals by giving them my money.

I think there are a lot of domestic and international producers of firearms and ammunition who support the things that I value and who produce quality products. There are a few who do not, and I avoid the ones that do not. To me, its not hard or complicated.

 

[Lo-Profile]

I like the A2 style stand alone sights. Will work well with your fixed front sight already.
Can be found for under $35 at Midway.

 

[js8588]

https://pkfirearms.com/rock-river-arms-stand-alone-rear-sight

 

[Skylerbone]

You do you, and I will do me.

I will not knowingly reward what I see as bad behavior. It doesn’t matter to me whether that concerns a domestic supplier or an international source - if they are actively working in opposition to the things that I value, I see no reason why I should facilitate their goals by giving them my money.

I think there are a lot of domestic and international producers of firearms and ammunition who support the things that I value and who produce quality products. There are a few who do not, and I avoid the ones that do not. To me, its not hard or complicated.

Copy that, wouldn’t expect it any other way. Of note, Monroe has not worked for Troy in more than 8 years. RRA and Springfield Armory pulled their stunt 5 years ago (for comparison). 10 years ago CVA quietly reformed to avoid responsibility with kabooms due to misinformation they disseminated in their manuals, choosing to blame Bergara who shrugged it off as well. Bill Ruger, ‘no honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun’. And on and on.

I don’t know that anyone in corporate America, including firearm manufacturers, shares much in common with me concerning beliefs or politics, but I won’t exclude them that have wronged us in the past. If something were current or ongoing...I’d Gander Mountain them in a heartbeat.

 

[FL-NC]

Cut a MILSPEC carry handle like below. This is something we did in the mil to get a good precision adjustable rear sight that we could use to co-witness with the aimpoint M68. The supply sgt lost his mind, but he got over it.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

I use Daniel defense. Midwest industries also makes some nice sights as well.

To me there's a big difference between Bill Ruger and his 10 round mags and a guy shooting an unarmed woman and bragging to his buddies about it.

 

[DustyGmt]

I use Daniel defense. Midwest industries also makes some nice sights as well.

To me there's a big difference between Bill Ruger and his 10 round mags and a guy shooting an unarmed woman and bragging to his buddies about it.

Not to mention Ruger has spent the better part of 20 years trying to distance themselves from from Bill's sentiments. The man was talented but I did not like those remarks about "honest men".

Yeah, I just realized I actually do have about a dozen troy battle mags, probably gonna pitch them in the trash. Don't ever use them anyway

 

[mjsdwash]

for those mad at Troy (I'm bitter too), there is the similar Midwest. I don't know of any Midwest controversy, but I do have one on an AR10, and its very strong, precise, and doesn't shift. My 10 is a dedicated iron sight rifle, so these sights do actually get used, and in a high recoil setup -my 10 weights in at 8.5 lbs empty.
I've had them a while and no complaints. Look good too. I think I got it from optics planet for around $80. It uses an A1 type adjustment, so you need a bullet tip or punch to change the windage.
Only down side is that its a little big. Looks great on the AR10 but a little big looking on a 15.

I teamed this up with the finest KNS A2 post available, and it works out very well. Beware though, those KNS sights are also frequently counterfeited.

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Combat-Rifle-Fixed-Rear-Sight-p/mi-cbuis.htm

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/front-sights/ar-15-post-front-sight-pack-prod13802.aspx

 

[mjsdwash]

Not to mention Ruger has spent the better part of 20 years trying to distance themselves from from Bill's sentiments. The man was talented but I did not like those remarks about "honest men".

Yeah, I just realized I actually do have about a dozen troy battle mags, probably gonna pitch them in the trash. Don't ever use them anyway

Add to that that Bills whole support came largely from his companies own exemption. Greed is natural, sleaziness is its own thing.

 

[mjsdwash]

On a long enough time line, and these days that wouldn’t need to span too far back, we could throw Ruger, Springfield, Rock River, Colt, Remington, and a whole host of others under that same bus. If you wanna revisit wartime let’s add CZ, Walther, FN, Browning and Winchester by extension, Norinco, all Japanese scopes, and where does it end?

Troy made a poor hiring decision. Others worked directly with legislators to erode our 2nd Amendment. Still others created weapons en mass to kill Americans. Think about that while firing Russian ammo in your Turkish guns and let it sink in. If we believe these stains are permanent, support import bans, sell off any firearms from all of the above, and I guess start buying KelTec offerings.

Rant off.

There is a difference here. Most of these companies were trying to save themselves. Springfield and RRA claim to have been conned, and the evidence seems to back that up. Ruger was trying to beat out his competition. It was sleazy, but at least it made sense -and the company has been trying to make up for it. S/W was actually driven out of business entirely.

If All those European companies were still screaming for their 30-110 year old ambitions we would not be supporting them. But those wars are long over, and the morality is forgiven because that's the nature of war.

Most of those organization were ran by greed, or the war machine, and never really cared all that much. Just following the status quo/orders. The private companies and legal teams representing them were doing so in slimy backroom deals.

By actually voluntarily supporting someone most of the people in the Unites States, and really the entire developed world would consider evil, Troy made a statement. By supporting that person they deliberately alienated their customers. That was a choice they made and defended. Its worth remembering that the person who actually did shoot was to be charged with manslaughter by the state of Idaho, but prevented from doing so by the 9th circuit. That shot he would have happily taken himself.
Edit to add: Its also worth noting aside from Monroe, I didn't see anyone yet mention the Jody Weis ordeal either. That guy has no business at a 2A friendly organization, and Troy knows that.

Thats why people are bitter, thats why people can forgive. S/W's embrace of Clinton social theory was enough to bankrupt them, so its not like everyone got forgiven.

Thats just my thought, and sorry to derail. But to keep this relevant, if anyone visiting this thread wants to SUPPORT a company for their political leanings, Magpul, and Larue have good reputations and stood up for civilan ownership. I'm not a Magul fan, I think they're ugly and overpriced, but the Larue looks good.
https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-b-u-i-s-qd-lt103/

 

[DustyGmt]

There is a difference here. Most of these companies were trying to save themselves. Springfield and RRA claim to have been conned, and the evidence seems to back that up. Ruger was trying to beat out his competition. It was sleazy, but at least it made sense -and the company has been trying to make up for it. S/W was actually driven out of business entirely.

If All those European companies were still screaming for their 30-110 year old ambitions we would not be supporting them. But those wars are long over, and the morality is forgiven because that's the nature of war.

Most of those organization were ran by greed, or the war machine, and never really cared all that much. Just following the status quo/orders. The private companies and legal teams representing them were doing so in slimy backroom deals.

By actually voluntarily supporting someone most of the people in the Unites States, and really the entire developed world would consider evil, Troy made a statement. By supporting that person they deliberately alienated their customers. That was a choice they made and defended. Its worth remembering that the person who actually did shoot was to be charged with manslaughter by the state of Idaho, but prevented from doing so by the 9th circuit. That shot he would have happily taken himself.
Edit to add: Its also worth noting aside from Monroe, I didn't see anyone yet mention the Jody Weis ordeal either. That guy has no business at a 2A friendly organization, and Troy knows that.

Thats why people are bitter, thats why people can forgive. S/W's embrace of Clinton social theory was enough to bankrupt them, so its not like everyone got forgiven.

Thats just my thought, and sorry to derail. But to keep this relevant, if anyone visiting this thread wants to SUPPORT a company for their political leanings, Magpul, and Larue have good reputations and stood up for civilan ownership. I'm not a Magul fan, I think they're ugly and overpriced, but the Larue looks good.
https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-b-u-i-s-qd-lt103/

Who/what is S/W? Also, I was flipping through my LaRue catalog the other day, unfortunately all the sights I found in their catalog were Troy's with laser etched LaRue logo's. I believe I saw the same thing on BCM's website. I know that LaRue and BCM are staunch 2A supporters so it's unfortunate to see them doing business with negative influences. I love magpul, but am looking for something different. I may just go with a set of Scalerworks LEAP's and a BCM (probably provided by Colt) A2 carry handle.... I do like the MI and DD as well.....

 

[Skylerbone]

Most of those organization were ran by greed, or the war machine, and never really cared all that much. Just following the status quo/orders. The private companies and legal teams representing them were doing so in slimy backroom deals.

By actually voluntarily supporting someone most of the people in the Unites States, and really the entire developed world would consider evil, Troy made a statement. By supporting that person they deliberately alienated their customers.

So the Hitler Youth Corps is forgiven but Troy was seeking out an evil person intending to alienate their customers? Well I fail to see things through that lens, great that you can choose what all others in the world think and who is or is not forgiven.

I believe Troy hired him believing he would be an asset to the company. I also believe that as a small company they did not anticipate the backlash or afford to pay the problem to go away. So they stood their ground, same as you might. And I wonder if those who still won’t get past it would have forgiven them if they had fired him immediately.

Ask yourself this last question: if you were him, and being questioned, would you have supported your agency and co-worker or sunk everyone, likely yourself included. I imagine a similar scenario plays out for any armed citizen who is asked to defend their actions in court after a shooting.

Adding inflammatory language like “bragged about” shows a desire to obscure truth to support one’s personal opinion rather than considering facts or more likely scenarios. Would you tell a judge “We probably could have gotten away but my buddy took the shot anyway”.

 

[BigBlue 94]

I feel bad about starting this business blaze going on here. Just asked a simple question lol.

I could sum this up quick. With sights, you get what you pay for. If it is close to $100, its probably nigh indestructible. If its under $50, it likely works as intended but may not be as durable as one might like.

 

[Skylerbone]

Who/what is S/W? Also, I was flipping through my LaRue catalog the other day, unfortunately all the sights I found in their catalog were Troy's with laser etched LaRue logo's. I believe I saw the same thing on BCM's website. I know that LaRue and BCM are staunch 2A supporters so it's unfortunate to see them doing business with negative influences. I love magpul, but am looking for something different. I may just go with a set of Scalerworks LEAP's and a BCM (probably provided by Colt) A2 carry handle.... I do like the MI and DD as well.....

This is what I’m talking about. If you take the hard line, now Bravo Company and LaRue are on the no no list.

 

[DustyGmt]

This is what I’m talking about. If you take the hard line, now Bravo Company and LaRue are on the no no list.

I take your point, it's certainly not something I will toss and turn about but what may appear to be a lil hypersensitivity, discriminating customers who voice their opposition and pull their support from company's who aren't toeing the line and adhering to strictly supportive 2A people and practices, I think sends a good message. You gotta remember, the guys discussing these kinds of things on forums that are actually in the know about these things and give a hoot are a small minority so I think it's incumbent that we be vocal and strict to make up for all those who are completely ignorant of company politics, etc....


Even if it seems a lil melodramatic, I think we should be intolerant of any anti-2A leanings or practices... but I get your point for sure. We are lucky that we have so many good companies sprouting up all over the place who seem to understand what we are up against and are solidly 2A and put their money where their mouth is.

 

[DustyGmt]

I feel bad about starting this business blaze going on here. Just asked a simple question lol.

I could sum this up quick. With sights, you get what you pay for. If it is close to $100, its probably nigh indestructible. If its under $50, it likely works as intended but may not be as durable as one might like.

Not a problem, I've been known to do some thread drifting myself. Think about how a normal conversation goes with somebody, it's very easy to drift into other topics, it's human nature. Some things can be said and be somewhat relevant and don't necessarily warrant an entirely new thread to be discussed.

 

[mjsdwash]

So the Hitler Youth Corps is forgiven but Troy was seeking out an evil person intending to alienate their customers? Well I fail to see things through that lens, great that you can choose what all others in the world think and who is or is not forgiven.

I believe Troy hired him believing he would be an asset to the company. I also believe that as a small company they did not anticipate the backlash or afford to pay the problem to go away. So they stood their ground, same as you might. And I wonder if those who still won’t get past it would have forgiven them if they had fired him immediately.

Ask yourself this last question: if you were him, and being questioned, would you have supported your agency and co-worker or sunk everyone, likely yourself included. I imagine a similar scenario plays out for any armed citizen who is asked to defend their actions in court after a shooting.

Adding inflammatory language like “bragged about” shows a desire to obscure truth to support one’s personal opinion rather than considering facts or more likely scenarios. Would you tell a judge “We probably could have gotten away but my buddy took the shot anyway”.

given that the Hitler Youth were by definition children, and that they are now at the youngest in their 80's, and almost certainly both brainwashed, enslaved and highly repentant, if still alive at all, yea, I can forgive them enough to support industry from their nation totally unrelated to their individual involvement in the war. Who said anything about bragging?

 

[mjsdwash]

Who/what is S/W? Also, I was flipping through my LaRue catalog the other day, unfortunately all the sights I found in their catalog were Troy's with laser etched LaRue logo's. I believe I saw the same thing on BCM's website. I know that LaRue and BCM are staunch 2A supporters so it's unfortunate to see them doing business with negative influences. I love magpul, but am looking for something different. I may just go with a set of Scalerworks LEAP's and a BCM (probably provided by Colt) A2 carry handle.... I do like the MI and DD as well.....

Sorry for the abbreviations. In this case it refers to Smith & Wesson. Back in the 90's they got in with the Clinton administration for some kickbacks. That was the very early beginning of the free information age, and they thought some normal media pressure/bribery would be enough to keep things quiet. But it didn't work. The internet was around, and people were able to keep it relevant in the "normal people" world. From what I remember real time back then, Smith and Wesson agreed to a voluntary, internal national registry. Once it was 'acceptable' the government could pressure other companies to do the same. That may be hit or miss, but it was the perception of the time. Around that time expiring primers were a big thing too. Gun control took some crazy turns in the 90's. Anyway, I hope that helps.

If Larue is third partying Troy, so be it. I'm not bitter enough to go diving into that, but I do know I like my Midwest, and highly recommend them. If Magpul suits you go that way. Their stance was very impressive (relocating entirely to Wyoming), and they were the biggest company I know to make a stand-and the biggest at that. The only complain I have is the cost/looks. I think they're ugly and overpriced. But if I liked the style, I wouldn't think twice to buy Magpul. I have their furniture.

 

[DustyGmt]

If Magpul suits you go that way. Their stance was very impressive (relocating entirely to Wyoming), and they were the biggest company I know to make a stand-and the biggest at that. The only complain I have is the cost/looks. I think they're ugly and overpriced. But if I liked the style, I wouldn't think twice to buy Magpul. I have their furniture.

I wouldn't think twice about Magpul either, as for being overpriced, I think their products, warranty and prices for that matter are in line with other manufactured items of that quality range or whatever. I have alot of magpul items and have confidence in their products.


As far as their status in the 2A community, the way they conduct things on that front could be the benchmark for others, here in VT on the eve of the >10rd rifle mag ban was about to go in effect, there was a demonstration at the capital in Montpelier. Magpul showed up with a truckload of assorted 20 & 30rd mags and passed them out for FREE. Publicity/marketing maneuver? Sure. Still, much respect for that.

Magpul has streamlined and made it very easy for the average gun schmo to locate and configure/accessorize a carbine exactly the way they want....

 

[Skeeter330]

I like the standard mil-spec A2 iron, which can be found in both carry handle and stand alone options. Specifically I get the carry handle version from BCM. Not all carry handles are created equal, but the ones that they provide are good quality (they should be for 100 bucks). I never use it as a carry handle, I just prefer the more robust mounting of the handle over the stand alone versions.

I also think it's cool having the BDC option, despite the fact that I will never actually get to use it since my longest range is just 200M. Lol
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I set mine up with the revised improved battle sight zero. There are all kinds of websites that explain it but basically you zero it at 25 yards and can adjust it to shoot at 50 / 100 / 200 and then use the 3, 4 or 5 marks for those. I use it with my 62 gr reloads and it is poa- poi out to 300 (farthest i can shoot). Otherwise if you zero at 25 you will be very high at 100 / 200 mark

Give it a try

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

If anyone has a detachable carry handle and is tempted to saw it off as shown above, please get in touch with me. I have a factory made “cut down” detachable rear as also shown above and I will not only trade you for your intact carry handle but I’ll even pay for the shipping.