• You are using the old High Contrast theme. We have installed a new dark theme for you, called UI.X. This will work better with the new upgrade of our software. You can select it at the bottom of any page.

Best Tackdriving .22?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Thanks Floppy_D,

This is what happens when you spend too much time hanging around RimfireCentral. If you want (or don't want) to know anything about .22's, that's the place to go.
My 10/22 has no Ruger parts left after about one year of modding it. Tho it still uses the Ruger magazines. Now she's too big & heavy for a field gun so she either shoots from a rest or stays at the range.

Facts about the Custom 10/22:
Volquartsen Superlite Reciever
Volquartsen Machined Bolt
Volquartsen TG2000 Trigger Group
Volquartsen Compensator
Volquartsen Bedding Kit
Fajen Target Stock
Green Mountain Match .920 Barrel

As I said, she's a tack-driver but, I wouldn't suggest doing this again.
My field .22 is a CZ452 Special/Trainer with a Simmons 3-9x32 scope. Nothing spectacular but, the CZ is a heck of a gun.

Bruce
 
Really that many people suggesting the CMP Kimbers? Ive never seen them shoot that well. From personal experiences they wouldn't shoot 1 MOA at 50 yards. I'm pretty sure the reason the Government quit buying them was that they didn't meet the accuracy demands. Kimber is a great name but I've seen a lot more unhappy CMP 82G owners than happy. Maybe everyone at my range got lemons and the rest are great but I wouldn't spend that much money on one. For $600 I might as well just get an Annie.
 
I don't have anything bad to say about my CZ 452 FS in 22WMR. When I do my part it will put them all under a dime at 25 with a crude rest over iron sights. Go for the CZ, you won't regret it.
 
Well I'd say around $600 or $650 I'd give for the absolute most accurate I could get with that money. What's your suggestions for those criteria?
Click to expand...

One of the CMP Kimbers is a good deal in that price range. Anschutz 64 if you can find one should be about $500.
 
These are from a use CZ American 452 I got for $275.

5 shots at 50 yards off a bench.

1014248c729428866b.jpg


1014248c729432f4c1.jpg


I know I can do better with a better rest and a bit more ammo testing but for the money, the CZ is a winner.
 
lots of good options

We seem to be very fortunate to have so many choices for an excellent 22 rifle. Practically speaking, the savage would be ideal because it gives up nothing in accuracy until you start looking at anschutz. This will allow you to buy a better optic with the left over funds. It is hard to beat a CZ lux for iron sight shooting. And a green mountain barrel could really dress up your ruger. I prefer a bolt action for precision shooting so I would suggest the savage or a cz american.
 
I just read page 2 and want to give some of you a heads up. The gsg5 is NOT an HK firearm. It is a cosmetic copy of an mp5. They are made by a company which I believe is called german sport guns. I have not fired one, thus I am not commenting positively or negatively. But it is not manufactured by HK.
 
Thanks Floppy_D,

This is what happens when you spend too much time hanging around RimfireCentral. If you want (or don't want) to know anything about .22's, that's the place to go.
My 10/22 has no Ruger parts left after about one year of modding it. Tho it still uses the Ruger magazines. Now she's too big & heavy for a field gun so she either shoots from a rest or stays at the range.

Facts about the Custom 10/22:
Volquartsen Superlite Reciever
Volquartsen Machined Bolt
Volquartsen TG2000 Trigger Group
Volquartsen Compensator
Volquartsen Bedding Kit
Fajen Target Stock
Green Mountain Match .920 Barrel

As I said, she's a tack-driver but, I wouldn't suggest doing this again.
Click to expand...
Technically you don't have a custom 10/22, you have a Volquartsen with a GM barrel and a Fajen stock, AND a stock 10/22 :)
Almost the same as mine.
 
IndianaBoy made a point that I was just about to say myself. After giving this some thought, I don't know that I want my first real tackdriver to be at the very top end like Anschutz or Cooper. I think maybe that I should start towards the average range. Here's my thinking, I can go with either the Savage MKII or the CZ then spend a little extra on some good glass. I'm probably not going to be doing any off-hand shooting so I'd like to look into a custom stock and aftermarket heavy barrel. Just my thinking so far. I'm not planning on going to any competition shoots, but I would like to have a rifle that really turns heads at the range.

This is just my initial thinking...but thanks a ton for everybody that has posted. I've really learned a lot.
 
I think the better question is: "Are there any 22 bolt actions that aren't tack-drivers?"

I've got a Ruger 77/22 in 22LR that will also put all shots on a dime at 50 yards. It is just a really nice gun. (and it is American-made too :scrutiny: )

Just for fun, I started shooting mine at 100 yards, and found that is more accurate than my 6mm Rem rifle, which is easily a 300 yd. rifle.
 
Called a dealer friend for a price quote on a Savage MKII. I had him quote the BV model which is laminated and has the heavy barrel. Website says MSRP is $322. He said he could get it for $283 +tax.

First question is the BV an accurage model? Second question is the price he quoted me much of a deal or can I find a better price somewhere else? I ask because he's not a very close friend and he's gotten me good deals in the past and he's quoted me some really high numbers before too.

What about this idea? Would it be smarter to get the cheapest model MKII, with the synthetic, model F (MSRP $191) and go ahead and buy the custom stock and barrel that I'd plan on getting later on if I bought another model and just go ahead and get all the customization done at one time?
 
Olympus . . .

You said that you wanted to turn heads at the range. Yeah, some of these tricked out guns will do that. However, people do notice how you shoot at the range and when they see tight groups, they turn their head to see what you're shooting. A lot of people on this site seem to know a lot about CZs. At my range, however, I'm one of the few that shoot them. I have a 452 Lux, 453 American, and 452 FS in 22 mag. 95% of the time someone comes up to me to ask about the rifles. Some of those guys have the really tricked out guns. They come ask me about them because on the same target board that they are shooting, I'm puttin up groups as good as or better than theirs . . . from a stock gun. When it's me and my buddies (one has 5 CZs, the other has 2), it's like we're celebrities.

Couple of things on Savage and CZ offerings. You said you wanted an aftermarket varmint barrel. Both comanys offer them stock; anything with a "V" in the Savage model designation and the Varmint in CZ. IN A BOLT 22, I've never understood why one would need a "Varmint Barrel". I guess you could load up 20 ten round mags and just shoot, shoot, shoot, but if you're going for groups you're methodically and inherently firing slowly. I've put probably 20,000 rounds through a standard barrelled Winchester Model 61. It still shoots the same as it always did - Dead On.

You also wanted a custom stock. CZ doesn't offer them but their stocks are Turkish walnut except in the Training Rifle and Ultra Lux and are pretty nice. They are traditional . . . "svelt". My Savage, the Mk II BVT, has a "custom stock" straight from the factory.

You don't have to spend a lot of money to get a really nice 22 these days, straight from the factory. FYI . . . My CZ American I bought new for $300 3 years ago. My Savage ($420 MSRP) I bought new for $349 a month ago. Both produce less than dime size groups at 50 yards. I'm sure they're out there, but I haven't seen aftermarket barrels for either . . . they don't need them.

But still, if you want the flashy customized gun . . . get it. My 300 Win Mag looks like something out of a sci-fi movie . . . love it.

Optics, Optics, Optics. Got to have money left over for good optics. However, because we're not talking about heavy recoil, don't forget about the cheapo stuff. I may get hammered for this but NCStar, Barska, Nikko, BSA, and Tasco . . . if they're clear, they'll probably work on a rimfire. Anything built for rimfire or with an adjustable objective. Even if they don't have AOs, they can still be adjusted for rimfire yardage. I like my newer Weavers and my Leupolds but I get the same groups from my Barska Excavator. It's not as nice, but still pretty cool.
 
Oh, Talo makes custom stocks for Savage. The Mako is Savage's 22 Talo. It's radical. I realy thought about buying it instead of the BVT.

Last time I looked on GunBroker.com, several Talos were offered. You can also get an idea of what a good price is from these auctions. I can usually beat them or equal them locally, but I have a buddies with FFLs.
 
cinteal...

Thanks for the informative post. I totally see what you're getting at. When I said I wanted to turn heads at the range, I didn't mean that I wanted this totally wicked looking custom stock. Most of my larger bore rifles are fancy walnut and they look great. But I don't know if you'd seen the pics I put on here of my custom Mauser, but it is the first gun I've had that I tried something really different. And it's not even that crazy, it's a laminated stock called Tigerwood from Richards. I'm kind of in a laminated phase right now and thought I would like to try one on this .22 whatever I get. I know most manufacturers have laminated stocks as offerings. But they're kind of in boring colors in my opinion. At least boring in regards to the fact that you see them alot. My big thing is I want something that looks totally different. I don't want the crazy wild purples, pinks, and yellows or anything like that. I just want something with some color that you don't see too often. As for the barrel, I've seen some places that offer custom barrels for the Savage at least. Personally, I like the looks of a silver barrel in a blued action, like some of the Coopers that I've seen. That was my thinking on the barrel part.

I've seen the Mako and that's a lot more radical than I'm wanting to go.
 
Sounds as tho you're sold on either the Savage or the CZ.
So the choice would be between the Savage Mark II-BV or the CZ452 Varmint, both of which have the Bull/Varmint barrels. And both of which are very fine choices.
Good, I personally think you'll find that the bolt guns are much more fun & challenging than the semi's.

Bruce
 
I know what you mean, Olympus

Yeah, the Mako was a bit much for me, too. I also agree on the boring/ugly colors offered on most laminated stock stocks. I was probably in your mindset when I bought this Savage AND I bought it off of gunbroker. The reason, the stock offered on this particular gun had multiple color laminate. Not the pinks, fluorescent blue, but a fairly natural red, green, tan, and black . . . I think. I'm not looking at the gun right now and I've slept since I last fondled it.

The standard on the Savage laminates seems to be reddish tan on a darker reddish tan. Not ugly but not impressive. Don't know why mine was different . . . but it sold me on this particular gun.

I know Remington custom makes guns fairly reasonably. My 257 Roberts is a custom Remington 700. I think Savage has a custom shop, as well - not for sure. I know they make stainless barrels and blued actions and Vice Versa. They just don't offer them mixed on standard guns. Worth a phone call if you're interested in Savage. I can say with confidence that Savage barrels do not need to be replaced with "better" aftermarkets. All but one of my 22s can outshoot my abilities, and I'm cetainly not a bad shot.

One comment on which I haven't commented . . . Savage actions do feel Kinda cheap . . . nothing like CZ. However, the results say they're not cheap . . .and it's a 22. You don't need a Rem 700 action for a 22.

Good luck.
 
Yeah I think I'm pretty much focused on either the Savage or the CZ. I've found a lot of great reviews about each. I'm just going to have to keep my eye open for a CZ because my dealer friend said he couldn't get any of the 453s. And the barrel deal isn't really that important to me. As long as the factory barrel is as good as people say then I can overlook that part. But I do want to go with a custom laminate stock. I like the style of the Cooper BVT with the wide beavertail forend. I'll have to keep my eye open for some custom stock companies. The Rimfire Central forum has some good pictures on there so I might peruse through there.
 
Really that many people suggesting the CMP Kimbers? Ive never seen them shoot that well. From personal experiences they wouldn't shoot 1 MOA at 50 yards. I'm pretty sure the reason the Government quit buying them was that they didn't meet the accuracy demands. Kimber is a great name but I've seen a lot more unhappy CMP 82G owners than happy. Maybe everyone at my range got lemons and the rest are great but I wouldn't spend that much money on one. For $600 I might as well just get an Annie.
Click to expand...

Here is the ctriteria the government applied to the Kimber (and I'm sure all of the other .22 manufacturers):
Kimber8203.jpg
Kimber8202.jpg
Kimber8201.jpg

Not high end benchrest precise but then again, I don't think the government had benchrest in mind for the guns.

Here are some 10 and 15 round groups I shot at 50 yds prone with my iron sighted Kimber (Anschütz 9733 up front, 9550 at the rear (at the time), OE Kimber sight platforms, RWS R50). Only mod to the Kimber was adjuting the trigger down to about 10 ounces. For me, this is pretty good.
 
Olympus you won't need an aftermarket barrel for a Savage or CZ bolt gun to shoot. All the CZ bores I have encountered had a nicely lapped internal finish. I will say that CZ bores are somewhat tighter than standard 22 rifles. Do a search on rimfirecentral for tight bore cz and you will see what I mean. This is not a detriment.

Rebarreling a CZ is unnecessary, but also very difficult. They barrels are threaded into the receiver and they are extremely tight. To remove them, a relief cut almost always has to be made in the barrel. So removing a barrel will destroy it.

Savage rifles show excellent accuracy with the factory barrels as well.

I don't know where to point you for a good aftermarket stock but I'm sure they are out there for the Savage.

Some people don't like the stock CZ triggers. My Lux came from the factory with an excellent trigger, light and crisp. It does have some overtravel but it doesn't bother me. The Savage accutrigger is excellent. Don't skimp on glass if you want to shoot itty bitty groups. I am not very knowledgeable about scopes so I will leave that discussion to someone else. I do know that nobody complains about Leupold.
 
+1 IndianaBoy -

I have to use a .17 cleaning rod, for my CZ452, 'cause the bore is so tight. This is not unusual either.

The Savage barrel is pinned, making it near impossible to change also. Either you get a good one or you don't.

Sharp Shooter Supply is probably the best aftermarket place for anything Savage. Including Stocks & triggers for Savage rimfires.
Link - http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/

For more aftermarket stocks, you might try Boyds or Richards.

Good luck,

Bruce

ps.

Olympus -

I'm gonna attach a pic of my 93R17-BV so you can see what the laminated BV stock looks like. Mine's a .17HMR but, it's the same stock as the Mark II.
I like it.

P8070017.jpg
P8070020.jpg
 
It seems there are plenty of accurate .22LRs out there. I have recent editions of the Savage Mk II FVT and CZ 452 Lux. The Savage has been shot much more and it's best groups are a little better but it is less consistant. Both need shot a lot more though before they are broke in.

The CZ does look and feel more like a grown up rifle if that matters. A real stand out feature to me is the smoothness of feeding in the CZ. You really can't tell if it's loaded or not. Amazingly smooth. I don't know if this is always true. The Savage feeds rather roughly and it seems that this is common. It never really jams up though. The Accutrigger is tunable to be very good.

The CZ costs more but I'd say either way you're getting a good value. Handle every rifle you are condidering and shoot them if possible.
 
Cripes, forgot the photo.

Kimber1007.jpg

I'm guessing medium OK for someone shooting position for only a year (when the targets were shot). But, the group size is mostly the shooter (me) and not the gun which shoots much smaller.
 
I have a $100 savage MKII (base model) with a $50 bushnell scope. i shoot single holes at 50, at 25 i shoot flys and literally one hole groups. at 100, 2 in groups are no problem. a higher end model should do anything you want. I like my savages.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

C
  • Locked
Match M1A, AR-10, or DMPS LR-308 for tackdriving?
2
Replies
29
Views
4K
CanonNinja
C
X
  • Locked
.22 plinking rifle suggestions?
Replies
9
Views
551
SaMx
S
G
  • Locked
An afternoon at the range with my 8 year old.
Replies
9
Views
951
GregC
G
P
  • Locked
a couple of old confusing remingtons
Replies
7
Views
675
788Ham
7
C
  • Locked
mossberg 22
Replies
1
Views
292
Bill B.
B
Back
Top