Best way to start reloading .30-06

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O experts in reloading, I humbly beg for advice.

I've never reloaded brass cartridges. I reload shotshells, and I used to do a lot of muzzleloading, so the idea of reloading is not foreign to me. I do know that brass and the pressures of a rifle round present their own challenges and safety concerns, but I don't know exactly what they are.

How would you suggest I start low-volume reloading for my .30-06?

I have an older scale, but no other equipment.

I want to keep it low-budget and space-saving; I don't need or even want a Dillon progressive right now. It would be nice if I don't blow myself up when shooting, and if the rounds group smaller than 6". So my expectations are not excessively high.:p

Any opinions are appreciated.
 
3rd vote for the RCBS rockchucker. I bought the setup several years ago and I have now reloaded over 1000 .30/30 rounds. I just bought a Rem 700 .30/06 so I am building up some brass to start reloading the old 06. The RCBS was my first setup and I dont ever see a need to replace it. The powder measure and scale work great with the kit as well. Lesson: dont mess with that lube pad they include. It was much easier to lube all your cases in a case block with Hornandy? spray lube, works great. One Shot case lube, thats it. http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ...&parentType=index&indexId=cat20849&hasJS=true
 
Fourth vote for RCBS. You will never outgrow it. I have two Dillon presses, but I still use the Rock Chucker and scale I bought in 1975. I use it for certain calibers, load experimentation and for low volume loading.
 
I started loading in 1963 with the 30-06, on a used Hollywood press that I still have and use everyday. I also have an RCBS Rockchucker and highly recommend it. RCBS has the original lifetime warranty and they are really nice people to deal with. You won't go wrong with their equipment.

Today, I load 26 different calibers, and even though I do have a progressive press, I still use those single stage presses all the time.

Get at least one loading manual, and preferably two or more. They will explain what you need to know. The Lyman Manual is a good one to start with, and there are others. I've got about a dozen or more loading manuals and still learn from them after all these years.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Yeah! What Fred said!

Excellent advice. Straight to the point.

Poper

PS: Sierra, Speer, Hornady & Nosler are excellent manuals in addition to Lyman's. Be sure to USE at least two...
 
The Lee anniversary kit will get you most of the way there for less than $100. It's probably all you'll ever need for low volume metallic cartridge reloading, and it works great. Get a good manual as others suggested.
 
A Lee single stage is a cheap alternative as well.

I started with IMR 4350 for 150 and 165 grain loads and haven't gone any further. The IMR 4350 puts up great loads with both and especially the 165gr Sierra Gamekings out of my Savage 110.

Buy a press, dies, scale, calipers and above all, a good manual and get to reloading.
 
I went with an anniversary kit to make sure I liked reloading, and now I'm either getting a Lee turret, or just taking the plunge and going dillon. I have no idea yet.

But in my opinion between using my Lee stuff, and my friend's RCBS stuff, and looking at all the Dillon stuff, it seems to me like the Lee equipment is about 2x stronger built than you need...
Its just that the RCBS/Dillion/et all, seem to be about 10x stronger than you need.
 
Very happy with my RCBS

Rock Chucker. Been using it for years.

My favorite '06 load is a Hornady 150 gr spire point (#3031, I believe) with a CCI large rifle primer and 50 or 51 gr of 4064.

I've tried 4320, 4895, 4891, 4350, etc. and 4064 is it for my bolt rifle.

You'll need good dial calipers, primer pocket cleaning tool, case trimming tool (Lee makes a serviceable basic tool), case mouth chamfering tool, and an "eraser"-- a bullet pulling tool for your mistakes.

It's nice to have a tool for measuring seating depth to the ogive, the point back from the nose where your bullets begin to have .308 diameter. That way you can seat so that all rounds chamber with the bullet a specific distance from the start of the lands. Sinclair makes an affordable one.

Sinclair also makes an affordable tool to determine what seating depth touches the lands, which is really helpful in working up handloads.

Then if you want to get really anal, you can uniform primer pockets, ream flash holes, and outside-turn necks. All my tools for these chores are simple, manual, and not very pricey.

Once you start making progress in improving your groups, it's hard to stop without seeing just how nice you can make them.
 
If I wanted to start with the lowest possible budget, I would buy a Lee "reloader" single stage press ($21), Lee .30-06 dies ($11), and whatever manual suits your fancy, making sure that it's a complete manual with a section on "How to Reload". I personally don't like Lee stuff, but it's hard to imagine how they could screw up a single stage press and a set of dies.

If your scale works then you don't need to replace it. Add a can of case lube ($5), a box of bullets ($10 for run-of-the-mill stuff), some primers ($2 for a hundred, in general), and a can of powder ($20) and you're set to refill empties. About seventy bucks, if my addition is correct.

And yeah, if you're like most folks, you'll start buying toys like flash hole deburring tools and seating depth tools, but if you just want to make cheap ammo that equals the promotional stuff at the gun store, you can easily do it for under $100.
 
I also recommend Lee. Even if you buy their super strong Classic Cast press - that's only $65 and you save your money for components.

The Lee RGB dies ($11) are also an excellent deal - BEST DECAPPER EVER. I used to break one RCBS decapping pin per 100rds, and once I got a Lee RGB die set, I started decapping everything with it. The Lee 2nd edition manual is also excellent.
 
At the moment Im getting into reloading, I have a LEE hand press. It works pretty well so far I have just cleaned up some necks on some .223 brass, primed the cases and the same for 30-30case.

Right now Im waiting on on some .38spc .357 Dies to reload some .38 Spec cases I have laying around.

I would Suggest the lee classic kit or the rock chucker kit.

The lee kit is alot less expensive
 
I own an old RCBS single stage that I've had for more years than I care to admit. I bought it second hand at a yard sale. I still use it for nearly all of my rifle reloading even though I have 2 progressive setups. RCBS makes very good equipment. I can't really fault Lee on their equipment either. Both of my progressives are Lee as well as various other tools. Many here swear by the Lee classic turret press. May want to check it out. And as others have said, Lee dies are a very good choice for starting out. I have many sets that perform very well.
 
The first thing to do is buy a good reloading manual. I use the Lyman manual, and I know that its first few chapters offer very detailed relaoding instructions. I imagine that other manuals have the same sort of information. Start here, read these chapters through as many times as it takes to understand them fully. Then read it all again at least once more.

After you do that, you should have a pretty good idea of what equipment you need. Go out and buy what you need/want.

Follow the instructions in the manual and any instructions that come with your equipment. You should do just fine. Take it step by step. Force yourself to do no more than one step each day until you get the hang of things. That way you won't feel overwhelmed or frustrated, nor will you give in to the temptation to rush things. Take copius notes about anything and everything.

Invite a friend to the range and have him touch off your first handloaded round, just in case. :p
 
ArmedBear,

The bottom line on buying reloading equipment is that you will get what you pay for. Your intended use should dictate the quality of the equipment you buy. If you plan to load a lot or for a long period of time, you may want to consider equipment you will still be satisfied with in years to come. You may not be satisfied with "starter" equipment a few years down the road.

My experience with Lee equipment is that it works and gets the job done but just barely. I have a small Lee press which came as part of a package deal when I bought the Lee reloading manual. It's pretty flimsy. I set up a Lee priming tool on it and use it for priming brass only. A couple of my friends have the larger Lee presses. They are better but are still lacking.
I tried a Lee disc powder measure. It was a joke. I threw it away.
I have no experience with their customer service.

My experience with RCBS, for the most part, has been good. I have two RCBS single stage presses which I have used for many years. They still work like they did when they were new. They are much better than the Lee presses my friends and I have used.
Same goes for my RCBS powder measure. I also have a Saeco powder measure which I have used for 25 years. It's great. The Lyman 55 measure I first bought worked good but the Saeco and RCBS measures are better. You will appreciate them if you load using a stick powder such as the IMR powders, which I prefer.
My experience with RCBS customer service has been good. They are friendly and helpful. That's important if you have a problem.

Pacific equipment is good. I have an ancient Pacific C press which I seldom use simply because I prefer the RCBS presses. The Pacific is a good solid well made press. It is the equal of RCBS.

I haven't been at this as long as some of the guys here, but I have been reloading for the last 32 years and I am still learning. The only time I buy factory ammo is when I buy .22 ammo or something I shoot very little of such as .25 auto.
I have no idea how many tens of thousands of rounds I've loaded. It not only saves me a lot of money, it is really the only way you can get exactly the ammo you want.
I have tried various equipment over the years. Some good, some not so good. I have settled on RCBS for my single stage requirements and Dillon for my progressive loading.

My favorite manual is Lyman. I also have a Lee manual which is good.

Have you considered used equipment? Gun shows are excellent sources for used presses. You can usually find a good used press at a gun show for a fraction of what you would pay for a new one. A good quality press won't wear out so if you don't mind cleaning up a used one a little or a few chips in the paint, you can score a nice press from somebody who upgraded to a progressive.
You can get good deals on powder measures at shows as well. Just make sure it operates smoothly before you take it away from the table.

Used scales can be iffy. I would suggest taking a few small objects of known weight such a BB or two, a piece of shot, or coins along so you can check the accuracy of a scale. Weigh the objects ahead of time on a friend's scale, which you know is accurate and write the weights down so you can compare readings. Scale accuracy is critical. I passed up an RCBS scale yesterday, which I could have bought for $10 because after I examined it I didn't trust it. No sense in saving a few bucks on a scale and later blowing up a thousand dollar gun or risking injury.
Don't cut corners on the scale. It is the single most important piece of equipment you will use.

Well that's my take on it. I've gotten kind of long winded here and most likely angered the Lee owners, which was not my intent.
I would like to think that something I said here might be helpful. I wish someone had been around to give me the benefit of their practical experience when I started out reloading. It might have saved me some time and money.

My two cents. . . . . . . .
 
I've gotten kind of long winded here and most likely angered the Lee owners

Not angered at all BottomGun. We all have our favorite equipment.

Armedbear. I definately agree with BottomGun on the powder scale. This is an area where you want to make sure you buy quality. It may be the most important piece of equipment on your bench. If you have an innacurate scale, best case you will have innacurate loads, worst case, you will damage yourself or others.
 
Browse EBay and gunshows for a good used Rockchucker. You sometimes also find the thingummies and whichits that go along with the deal, such as the case-holder boards for charged brass, the chamfer reamers, other miscellaneous stuff that sells for too much money, new retail. :)

New dies, though. But, I have some '06 dies that weren't new when my uncle gave them to me in 1950. They still work. :) If they're not rusty or scratched inside, they'll work.

Art
 
I have an RCBS balance. PITA, but accurate. I just use it to check shotshell loads, so I put up with it, but the thought of using it a lot makes me cringe.:)

Hell, I use a digital scale to weigh my cereal in the morning because it's easier than measuring. Digital is my choice, but it ain't cheap.

Question about case sizing:

I see a lot of case trimmers in catalogs. How often do you trim the case? Or do most of you just caliper the case and chuck it if it's out of spec?

Obviously, I want to re-use cases. This is to bring the price down for hunting rifle practice, not target competition.:)

Thanks all, and keep it comin' if you have anything to add. I do appreciate this!
 
I trim cases when they need it. Sometimes I can get several loads out of the brass before I have to trim. It depends upon the load. The hotter the load, the more the cases will stretch.
Trimming is a PITA. I do it only when I have to. I don't shoot bench rest though. If I were doing some serious shooting, I would be trimming each time I loaded.

Unless you are planning to weigh each powder charge, you will probably find that you will use your scale to set your powder measure and then to periodically check it. I like to check the charge I'm throwing every so often to make sure nothing is out of adjustment.
I've found that a couple of tenths of a grain variance in my plinking ammo does not seem to affect the accuracy.

I tried one of the RCBS Partner digital scales but went back to using my mechanical Ohaus scale. It was a matter of preference.
When I load my hunting ammo, I do like to weigh the charges so I set the measure a couple of tenths low and trickle up to my desired charge. I found I can do this better and faster with my old trusty beam scale. The digital, at least the one I had, had too much of a lag time for trickling and I often exceeded my load before I was aware of it. I'm sure some of the other guys have had better luck with them.
 
+8 on RCBS.

Since you may already have some reloading equipment (the scale) you may want to just buy the single components.

A single stage press: The rock chucker is an awesome press, but a Lee classic cast, or an RCBS partner press is usually adequate (stay away from the Lee Reloader and Lee Hand Press) These presses just don't have the muscle you need.

A powder thrower will improve your speed, and a powder trickler set above your scale will allow you to make your own match ammo.

Loading block... For .30-06 I just use the 50 round things .45ACP ammo comes in.

Dies and shell-holder: Once again RCBS, thier replacement warranty is awesome!

You will need a set of dial calipers (Most of the time you can buy these at the auto parts store for 20-40$). To check your case length every time you reload. For trimming, it's hard to beat the Lee Cutter and Lock-stud. These also require a case length guage and shell holder that are specific to your caliber. While you're at it, pick up the Lee Primer Pocket Cleaner, and the Lee Chamfering Tool. (other companies offer similar tools at about 5x the price).

Other than that, you should now just need primers, powder and bullets.

For powder, I highly recommend Hodgdon's Varget. It meters well, is clean burning, and has produced excellent results in my .308 and .223 loads. I highly recommend giving it a try.
 
Trimming...

My first reloading attempts were for the old '06. Moderate loads -- about equivalent to factory loads -- didn't stretch the cases very much at all. I used the same cases probably half a dozen times before I finally decided they needed trimming, and even then it wasn't that any cases exceed max. length but because some were longer than others and I didn't want my crimps to get all funny. And also because they more I got into loading, the more gadgets I wanted to buy. ;)

Before investing in a case trimmer you may simply want to keep an eye on case length between firings. They'll NEED to be trimmed if they exceed specification. Otherwise the worst that will happen is that you end up with uneven crimping tension from shot to shot, which your rifle may or may not notice.
 
someone I worked with wanted to learn how to reload
so I had him come to my home and had him go thru the various reloading steps using my equipment and he brought his own supplies couple of hrs later he learned the basics and had a few hundred rds of 45 Colt to take to the range
 
Your first step is buying the best reference book or what I call Reloading for Dummies or The ABC's of Reloading from Krause Publications.

There are several great reloading manuals of the real kind not the freebee ones! Paperback manuals are good for cross referencing data, at times. For meaty manuals a person can not go wrong with the Lyman48th and Sierra. One must always look at the loads when you compare data. Especially in larger calibers as some data might be using different brass from yours. Case in point Hodgdon used WW brass to work up loads with, whereas Sierra used Fed cases in their 308 Winchester loading information.

Press - Single Stage or Turret presses are the best way to learn before advancing to any kind of progressive press. You will always have need for a single stage press. Redding and RCBS are good sources of all kinds of presses. RCBS Rockchucker Supreme for a single stage and Redding T7 for a turret press are basically the gold standard for press types.

Dies - I like Redding Dies, and I would get the carbide expander ball upgrade for bottle neck rifle cases. Dillon makes carbide rifle sizer dies, but you still need to use case lube and make sure you lube the inside of the case neck, too. I would just stick with regular dies for rifle cartridges. Dillon makes die sets specifically for their press so to speak, meaning that it does not come with a case mouth belling die; Redding makes a set of dies for progressive presses, too. I like Forster competition seaters, and they can be had as an individual item. Dies are pretty much threaded universally, except for Lyman 310 dies, and Dillon dies for the Square Deal N. Accuracy nuts will use hand dies, and they require an arbor press be used.

Shell holders (if the die set doesn't have them like Lee) or the appropriate shell plate for the progressive press. Remember that many shell holders work for more then one cartridge. I would do some home work, especially if you get a Dillon. Some cartridge conversions might only require you to get powder funnel for the new cartridge.

A tumbler will be a good investment, as clean cases will not harm you dies. There are vibratory and rotary tumblers out there. I like corn cob media treated with some Iosso case polish. You can get walnut in bulk at Petco or Pet Smart. Bulk corn cob grit is a great way to reduce the cost of commercially supplied media, because you pay through the nose for the treated media from other vendors.

MTM makes great loading block tray that handles most cartridges.

Case Lube is great for both conventional dies, and to treat your brass used in a progressive press even with carbide dies. That extra lubricity makes the cycling of the press a tad slicker! Dillon spray lube works well for shake and bake application. I like Imperial Die Wax for rifle cartridges when FL sizing.

Case Neck Brush to clean bottleneck rifle cases

Dial Calipers

Case Trimmer (Lee works, but Possum Hollow is better, Wilson makes the best hand powered Lathe trimmer, and Giraud is the best powered Trimmer)

Deburring/Chamfering Tool

Primer Pocket Cleaner and uniformer

Primer Flip Tray is needed for loading pick up tubes for some primer systems like the Dillon.

Priming Tool (I like the RCBS (now even better with universal shell holder, but Sinclair makes the best)

Powder Scale - remember that is always better to have a mechanical scale as a back up to any electronic scale.

Powder Funnel kit with drop tubes especially if you intend to use powders like Varget.

Powder Trickler (used to tweak powder charges )

Powder Measure (nice for faster powder charges it does require a bit of learning curve to get consistent powder charges sort of rhythm thing) standard with progressive presses, but the RCBS Uniflow is nice! Redding makes a better one, and Harrell is the gold standard!

Hammer Type Bullet Puller (for taking down the boo boo's)

Ammo boxes and labels

A notebook for recording your results! Saves covering the same ground twice!

A chronograph is great when working up loads, but is more a luxury in the beginning.
 
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