Better fixed sights proposal?

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I have thought of possibly improved fixed sights that don't snag on clothing or holsters on CC or service handguns that quite trivial to use.

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Groove with large hole simple O rings inside groove. Sighted in for Standard Ball and /or the very most common loadings. Other loads are tried by user on range to check of aim of impact and adjusted as needed.

Really easy to use even by inexperience and new shooters. Just point and look straight through the rings... Set to 25 yards. Any farther then that, why in Hell are you using a handgun for? At mere feet contact distances? Why even bother...

Has this been tried before? If so, how well did these work out?
 
What kind of fixed sights are you using that snag so bad?

They already make a rear peep for handguns, and I found them more of a distraction than a help. They were also bigger/taller than most other fixed sights.

There is the old "guttersnipe" sights Paris Theodore came up with, but they never caught on....

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I think Meprolight has a newer version of that.


Theres always "no sights" too, and just instintive/point shooting. :)
 
AK103K said:
What kind of fixed sights are you using that snag so bad?

They already make a rear peep for handguns, and I found them more of a distraction than a help. They were also bigger/taller than most other fixed sights.

There is the old "guttersnipe" sights Paris Theodore came up with, but they never caught on....

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I think Meprolight has a newer version of that.


Theres always "no sights" too, and just instintive/point shooting. :)
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Guttersnipe! On an ASP!
 
Well what I'm thinking of is two O Rings with large holes, front and rear, no post. Set to 25 yards Max. However a police official or even less a CCW holder isn't likely to shoot at a criminal at the range.
 
I thought you were worried about the sights hanging up on things? Circular sights tend to stick up and be "grabby". :)

Realistically, at "most" distances youre likely to shoot, you really dont need any sights. Point or instinctive shooting is a very viable and effective way to shoot, and is easily learned. Its easier than you might think too, and more likely to be used under stress.

There are those things that fit your bill pretty much exactly, but they may be to "different" for some. You also have to understand that these type sights are more meant for fast shooting at realistic ranges and not target sights.


This is one of those Meprolight gutter types sights milled into a SIG....
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Others have milled channels into slides with tritium dots at the end before too. I think this is a North American Arms....

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Why don’t you try taping O-rings to your slide and check it out?

I can’t imagine how your eyes aren’t going to be drawn to the rear sight like the ghost rings above.

I also can’t imagine how you are going to line the two holes up on the target any faster than a good set of Trijicon HD or fiber optic sights.
A dark rear, so as to not draw your eye. And a bright front, to tell you where the guns pointed.

I’m sure there is something better, faster, slicker out there. If you keep looking, I’m sure you will find it faster than if you just set around doing nothing. Good luck.
 
Sig P365 SAS has flush mounted sights. Colt New Agent has the standard gutter sight. For self defense ranges these would work just as well as rings.

Rings will fill with lint and a ring will damage easier than other sights.

Hi points came with a ring rear sight at one point in time. I tried shooting one once and wasn’t impressed. The regular rear sight was better in every aspect.
 
Yeah, the Sig P365 SAS sights were supposed to be an answer to the problem of sights being obtrusive. They are pretty controversial on the Sig forums. Most people have trouble getting a quick and accurate sight picture and most of them come from the factory wildly off. Like 2 FEET at 15 yards in some cases. Some people love them and have no issues.

They looked cool when I fondled one, but yeah, difficult to shoot accurately.

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Trey Veston said:
They looked cool when I fondled one, but yeah, difficult to shoot accurately.
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Fondle one??? Did you say Fondle? Oh did things changed here since I been here last in 2009(?). Back in 2005 or 2006, I informed the posters then I was going to Gun Show and asked them if there were any guns they want me to fondle for them... I nearly gotten temp banned for a week by a Mod who warned everyone not to make jokes about doing that.

Said Mod did the same thing with a bunch of dudes who were joking around on they how much they would miss their wives if she threaten to leave them unless....
 
Seems like ghost ring pistol sights come in and out of fashion.

A ring front sight, though, is unusual for a pistol. I think the basic idea of dual ring pistol sights has promise, although I wonder how big they'd have to be to be fast.

Seems like it would be relatively easy to throw together a mockup with hardware store supplies. There's also plenty of air and airsoft pistols with nonreciprocating slides, which would be great for test firing such a mockup with.

Sounds like a pretty cool quarantine project ;).
 
whm1974 said:
Fondle one??? Did you say Fondle? Oh did things changed here since I been here last in 2009(?). Back in 2005 or 2006, I informed the posters then I was going to Gun Show and asked them if there were any guns they want me to fondle for them... I nearly gotten temp banned for a week by a Mod who warned everyone not to make jokes about doing that.

Said Mod did the same thing with a bunch of dudes who were joking around on they how much they would miss their wives if she threaten to leave them unless....
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As with any administration, what the mods will tolerate is relative and based very heavily on their own opinions, and sometimes their moods at the time.

They are fairly even keeled currently, but I've gotten a message before that a joke I made was too low brow for their liking. I can live with that. I pushed it a bit far.

Regarding the topic at hand, I hate to say it but I just don't see what you describe as being an improvement. There are a lot of three dot, one dot, and no dot sets of low profile sights out there that work very well on a defensive handgun. I find the night sights on my HK pistols to be snag free, very clear to see, and they are robust enough to be used as a single hand cocking aid if need be. The Sig night sights on my P938 Legion are also very effective.

Ghost rings? Peep sights? I dunno, those sound snaggy to me. Maybe a drawing or diagram of what you envision would help.
 
The ghost ring works beautifully on almost any rifle, or on a shotgun for non-flying fowl like turkey or on a HD shotgun.

On a handgun, it’s so much harder to hold steady and find the peep that I think that under stress you would just forget it and start using the guns silhouette to aim (ala Jim Cirillo of the NYPD/FBI).

If you want more unobtrusive sights (I find Novak did a heck of a job myself, I can’t seem to snag them if I try) you could always remove them or mill the fixed sights flat and mount a laser that fits on the trigger guard that shoots POA at your preferred distance. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
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