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better mouse gun 22 lr or 25acp

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by s&w 24, Nov 10, 2005.

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  1. s&w 24

    s&w 24 Member

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    If you are comparing 22lr quik-shok ammo with 25 acp magsafe ammo wich is better as compared in a taurus auto or a beretta auto ?
     
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  2. cslinger

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    Well ballistics favor the .22 but reliability favors the centerfire of the .25 ACP. Have you considered a sharp stick. :neener:
     
  3. f4t9r

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    I would prefer the 22
    They have so many Different kinds of ammo these days there are alot of options with the 22 cheaper ammo than the 25
    Do not have official proof on which is better To really answer your question only that I would prefer the twenty two between the two choices
     
  4. lyricsdad

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    i have fired numerous cci ammo mini mags and stingers, none have ever failed me.. if your going to use a .22 use cci higher end stuff.
     
  5. 1911_Mitch

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    I think you would shoot it more (read practice) with the .22lr.

    .25 ammo is expensive.
     
  6. MICHAEL T

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    I want 1 of each. 22 for practice and 25 for carry. With a 45 as a back up.
     
  7. Dr.Rob

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    I don't think I'd use a frangible in either caliber.
     
  8. pauli

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    oh come on, you never know when you'll be called upon to pop a blister in defense of your life.

    (personally, i'd use the hottest 22 ammo that was safe in the gun, and skip the 25)
     
  9. Pilot

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    I chose the .22 over the .25 for my mouse gun, a Beretta 21A. I really like it and use CCI Minimags which feed reliably and always go bang. It HATES cheap ammo, so I only use the Minimags.
     
  10. cordex

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    I picked the .22LR in a Beretta 21a.

    Of course, I hardly ever carry it anymore since I bought my KelTec P3AT which is actually more concealable than the Beretta.
     
  11. mtnbkr

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    Between those two calibers, I'd go with the 22lr. It'll be cheaper to practice with and you'll want that practice time in order to be an excellent shot with it.

    I've shot the Taurus version in 22lr, it's not a bad gun. I'm trying to justify one to myself as a cheap plinker.

    Unless you're absolutely determined to get that particular platform or one of those calibers, I think it's better to go with a P32 or P3AT. You get more power in a similar size/weight package.

    Chris
     
  12. Onmilo

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    I gave up on this argument and bought a Kel-Tec P-32 in .32 acp.
    The Kel-Tec/Seecamp/North American Guardian,(pick one), have pretty well made .22/.25 mouse guns obsolete.
    Dick Casull and North American make the very smallest pistols.
    Both are .22s, both are revolvers, neither can be speed reloaded and as so often been said, these are the guns of absolute last resort and Winchester Super X hollowpoints are about the most reliable ammunition I have found for guns of this type.
     
  13. Moonclip

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    Both, 22lr for practice, 25acp for carry. I have 22short Beretta 950's as understudies to my 25acp ones. Stilll need a 25acp 21 to keep my 22lr one company.
     
  14. Zundfolge

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    take the .22 and double it.


    special or magnum ... your choice :D




    I'll echo the other sentiments and say .22lr over .25acp because the only .25acp I've ever shot couldn't make it through the magazine without jamming.
     
  15. Moonclip

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    Stramge your 25 jammed so much as 25acp was designed to get around the feeding problems pocket pistols in 22 rimfire can have. Though many of the Jennings and other type pistols can be jam o matics.

    Also, I think many people confuse 22lr rifle length barrel ballistics with those out of pocket pistols and 2" barrels. If anything, 25acp is bigger and has a heavier bullet. And while the stinger is a option for the 22's, the 25acp has the glaser and mag safe option the 22's don't.
     
  16. Wedge

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    Yeah, but isn't it better to have two nice shiny 22s instead of just an old rusty 44? ;)

    Not to hijack the thread too much, but what platform is the original poster looking at (just the Taurus or Beretta tip up barrels) and is there a "better" platform?
     
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    I really don't think a glasser or magsafe is going to do much out of such a short barrel, but I may be wrong.
     
  18. Zundfolge

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    To be fair my only experience with .25 is with a Raven.

    Good question. I'm assuming something like a Taurus or Beretta with the tip up barrel since he said "mouse gun"

    Of course I'm thinking there are plenty of .32acp pistols in the same size range as those (or for that matter a KelTec P3AT).
     
  19. LightningJoe

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    .22 LR or .25 ACP out of a mousegun are probably about the same in terms of wounding ability. Both are better than BBs. These guns work as often as they do in self-defense situations mainly because of the handgun's reputation as a weapon capable of inflicting mortal injuries and because they make loud and alarming noises. .22 LR is much cheaper to shoot. Mouseguns are often not terribly accurate, so how much accuracy you'll develop shooting a .22 LR mousegun a lot is in question. I only carry my NAA mini-revolver when I'm in the swimming pool. Outside the pool, a Kel-Tec P32 or an NAA Guardian 32 is as low in caliber as you should ever need to go.
     
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    That would be true of many other cartridges, but .25 ACp was built around guns with 2" tubes. All .25 ammo is designed to be used in very short barrels.

    As to the original question, .25 hand-down. Here's why:

    1: power) While .22 LR is typically higher in ballistics tables, remember that even handgun velocities for .22 LR are generally obtained using 6" barrels. Most published data is in 20" rifle barrels. Out of a 2.5" pistol, the .22 LR will not develop the 140-170 ft/lbs. it is often rated at. Power of the two cartridges from identicle barrel lengths is virtually identicle.

    2: bullet design) .25 is far superior in this department. It uses standard JHP or FMJ bullets, while .22 LR uses externally lubricated heeled bullets of lead or copper wash lead.

    3: Case design) Rimmed cartridges do not have a good track record for reliable feeding in autoloaders. The .25 is a semi-rimmed case that was specifically designed for small automatics.

    4: quality) Even premium .22 LR is not as well made as .25 ACP ammo. Bottom line is, centerfire is better. I simply expect duds when shooting a .22. For a defensive gun, it is worth the price.


    I have a couple of mouse guns in each caliber, and the .25's have proven much more reliable.

    All that said, Speer has a 35 gr. JHP Gold Dot loading that is fairly potent as .25's go. I have tested them in ballistic clay and they performed quite well, though .25 ACP seldom delivers more than 7 or 8" of penetration- regardless of bullet type.

    You would be much better served by a .380 and the little Kel-tec is as small as and lighter than many .22's and .25's.
     
  21. 22-rimfire

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    Given the choice, 22 LR or 25 ACP, there is no question which I would choose. It would be a small concealable 22 revolver such as S&W currently makes. For self protection, the 22 is better than nothing and repeated deaths from 22's demonstrates they can be very lethal.

    That all being said, I keep 22's for general shooting and larger calibers for "bigger game". My preference in an auto is a 40S&W. My preference in a revolver is 357 for just about everything short of hunting whitetails. My house gun is a 3" GP100 loaded with 38spl +P's. Same reasoning would apply to a revolver for carry purposes, just smaller and lighter such as a S&W 442. The intended effective range is close-under 25 feet.
     
  22. Manedwolf

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    If it's for range or plinking, 22 tends to be cheaper. If it's for self-defense as a weapon of last resort, meaning you've somehow lost your larger CC gun or have this as your only weapon with a formal or light outfit, then it's likely that the target is very close and if it doesn't fire right the first time, you've had it.

    In which case, every single article by "experts" I've ever read has said that the .25 ACP centerfire cartridge is inherently more reliable than the .22 rimfire, and in that case, the only words that I'd see are "more reliable." It's like choosing a parachute...if it doesn't work when you need it to the most, you don't get a second chance.

    I have a Beretta Jetfire in .25acp, and love it. It's also suprisingly accurate even with the vestigial sights, good groupings.
    Be nice if someone made a really, really, really tiny laser for the things, so you could at least be sure that the tiny bullets are going to go in the best place to do the most damage...
     
  23. Tropical Z

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    .25acp is a waste of time,money,materials and effort.:barf:
     
  24. Vern Humphrey

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    I -- or rather my wife -- has a Colt .25 in the safe. It's a nice collector's piece, but not a serious carry gun.

    For the money, I'd get a used Colt Detective Special in .38 Special, or any of the small Smiths (except the ouch!guns.)
     
  25. want to be gunsmith

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    best for shooting rodents is

    The best is 22wm filled with of couse ratshot:neener: :evil: :neener: :what:
     
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