Beware Of Being Followed Home
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Gordon Fink
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I always take extra precautions when returning from the range or gun shop. If a thief targets me for firearms, it will probably be because he observed me at one of these locations and I was foolish enough to let him figure out where I live. Without a CCW permit, I should also be “legally†disarmed, so the thief might not even bother with a burglary.…
Strict gun-control laws encourage theft. Criminals can’t get guns legally, so they steal them from those who can. Theft victims then have to run the gun-control gauntlet once again to replace lost weapons.
I think I just thought of another “need†for my future CCW application: gun-control laws.
~G. Fink
Strict gun-control laws encourage theft. Criminals can’t get guns legally, so they steal them from those who can. Theft victims then have to run the gun-control gauntlet once again to replace lost weapons.
I think I just thought of another “need†for my future CCW application: gun-control laws.
~G. Fink
Kenneth Lew
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Bogie, I reread the thread again. I don't see where they followed him from the range, that he knows anyway. They followed him once he picked up on them, but he doesn't say they were at the range or that they followed him from the range.
1. I left the range at 10:30 pm on a Monday night. Range closes @ 10:00 pm. It was dead from 9:00 pm.
2. The gun range is in an industrial part of town in a small town within a city. Deserted at night.
3. 99% of the time, I'm the only car on the road going home (I leave very late). The others scatter in different directions.
4. I take the long way home and go through mostly residential areas.
5. The F-150 following me had blue head lights.
6. Before I knew I was being followed, I left the truck pass me up before turning right.
7. I take several left turns, why was there a F-150 w/ blue lights following me (how many of those trucks are out there)?
The truck has Japanese racing stickers on the right extended cab window.
Truck has some very identifying customizations on it. I can spot it a mile away!
Any more details, like how far I live from the range?
Kenneth Lew
1. I left the range at 10:30 pm on a Monday night. Range closes @ 10:00 pm. It was dead from 9:00 pm.
2. The gun range is in an industrial part of town in a small town within a city. Deserted at night.
3. 99% of the time, I'm the only car on the road going home (I leave very late). The others scatter in different directions.
4. I take the long way home and go through mostly residential areas.
5. The F-150 following me had blue head lights.
6. Before I knew I was being followed, I left the truck pass me up before turning right.
7. I take several left turns, why was there a F-150 w/ blue lights following me (how many of those trucks are out there)?
The truck has Japanese racing stickers on the right extended cab window.
Truck has some very identifying customizations on it. I can spot it a mile away!
Any more details, like how far I live from the range?
Kenneth Lew
Chipperman
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Makes me glad my range is 40 minutes from the house.
I see no hypocrisy in the Police discussion. Reporting the incident to the Police now will NOT prevent a crime. It could, however, give them a lead if a crime is comitted in the future.
While Some of us here have a decidedly Anti-LEO bias, MOST of us realize that they are, as a whole, trying to do their best.
The problem is that Sheeple believe that Police are there to PREVENT crime, and PROTECT individuals. We here know better. Reporting incidents like this give the Police a better chance of accomplishing their true purpose; which is catching people who commit crimes.
I see no hypocrisy in the Police discussion. Reporting the incident to the Police now will NOT prevent a crime. It could, however, give them a lead if a crime is comitted in the future.
While Some of us here have a decidedly Anti-LEO bias, MOST of us realize that they are, as a whole, trying to do their best.
The problem is that Sheeple believe that Police are there to PREVENT crime, and PROTECT individuals. We here know better. Reporting incidents like this give the Police a better chance of accomplishing their true purpose; which is catching people who commit crimes.
Not exactly along the "being followed home category", but driving on freeway with family between Utah and Idaho, as I was passing another pick up around 11pm, the suspect decided I was not going to pass. Each time I sped up, so did he. When I slowed, so did he. He was detemined to stay right nexxt to me whatever the speed I drove and would not allow me to get in the right lane to exit. Having no idea what their motive was, told my wife to hand my fanny pack to me. Racked a round in my 9MM, and then decided to bring this to an end. I slammed on the brakes, got behind this fool and hit the brights. I was prepared to come to stop if he did, and at least I'd have him in my lights and sights.
Fortunately, he sped off and took the next exit. We arrived home safe and sound.
It was a rush and thank the Man upstairs we avoided a confrontation.
Fortunately, he sped off and took the next exit. We arrived home safe and sound.
It was a rush and thank the Man upstairs we avoided a confrontation.
Gramps...
I, and wife had a similar experience some years ago (before my CHP). Three young'uns in a small pickup, one riding the bed. They were sitting at a gas station exit when the light turned red . Trafic was heavy and the cars packed up at the light; I stopped, blocking them from exiting. For the next 25 miles or so they played similar games, cutting in front, slowing down, etc. The traffic flow cut their activity a bit, but generally it was an uncomfortable ride.
Finally the wife broke out a pad and while alongside got ready to log their plates. I slowed enough to read the plate (making sure the bed rider saw it). Next thing - they tore ahead and peeled off the next exit.
Frankly, we were concerned. You know, all kinds of scenarios go through your head when faced with possible problems.
Things as they are, it makes proper sense to be careful - and prepared.
-Andy
I, and wife had a similar experience some years ago (before my CHP). Three young'uns in a small pickup, one riding the bed. They were sitting at a gas station exit when the light turned red . Trafic was heavy and the cars packed up at the light; I stopped, blocking them from exiting. For the next 25 miles or so they played similar games, cutting in front, slowing down, etc. The traffic flow cut their activity a bit, but generally it was an uncomfortable ride.
Finally the wife broke out a pad and while alongside got ready to log their plates. I slowed enough to read the plate (making sure the bed rider saw it). Next thing - they tore ahead and peeled off the next exit.
Frankly, we were concerned. You know, all kinds of scenarios go through your head when faced with possible problems.
Things as they are, it makes proper sense to be careful - and prepared.
-Andy
larry_minn
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Sportcat
My obersavtion is that there are those that will criticize the police for everything, but are sometimes the first to call them when they need assistance.
That's all.
Maybe the reason we call the Police is because that is the LEGAL course of action. I have been followed and did everything I am REQUIRED to do. I disengaged (got of interstate) went to well lit public area. I then had them call 911 while idiots drove around station. Police questioned me but let them drive off as they drove up. Gee Thanks.
My obersavtion is that there are those that will criticize the police for everything, but are sometimes the first to call them when they need assistance.
That's all.
Maybe the reason we call the Police is because that is the LEGAL course of action. I have been followed and did everything I am REQUIRED to do. I disengaged (got of interstate) went to well lit public area. I then had them call 911 while idiots drove around station. Police questioned me but let them drive off as they drove up. Gee Thanks.
natedog
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I would DARE a goblin to follow some of the people on this board who take like 10 AKs ARs pistols, shotguns, +1000rds. of ammo to the range at a time
Glad all is well!
Not the same type of story, in that I was certainly not an innocenent in the scenario, but it does relate since I was followed:
I had an experience when I was about 19 that taught me the consequences of capriciously applying the one-fingered salute when on the road.
I was taking a class at a local university during the summer and was zipping around the Baltimore beltway. A guy blatantly cut me off for his own amusement just to see what I would do I guess (there was no reason for him to change lanes....no other cars around).
So...being the Baltimore boy that I am I told him that he was number one in my heart
Bad idea. For those of you that know the Baltimore beltway.....he followed me from the exit for I-795 all of the way up to York Rd, through downtown Towson, through the Towson University campus, through the parking garage.
All in all about a 20 minute or so ordeal.
Fortunately even at my tender age, I had the sense to keep moving, get off campus and drive until I found a police station. After I pulled into the lot he broke off. I waited awhile and then drove home.
I learned really quick to keep my comments to myself while on the road.
Not the same type of story, in that I was certainly not an innocenent in the scenario, but it does relate since I was followed:
I had an experience when I was about 19 that taught me the consequences of capriciously applying the one-fingered salute when on the road.
I was taking a class at a local university during the summer and was zipping around the Baltimore beltway. A guy blatantly cut me off for his own amusement just to see what I would do I guess (there was no reason for him to change lanes....no other cars around).
So...being the Baltimore boy that I am I told him that he was number one in my heart
Bad idea. For those of you that know the Baltimore beltway.....he followed me from the exit for I-795 all of the way up to York Rd, through downtown Towson, through the Towson University campus, through the parking garage.
All in all about a 20 minute or so ordeal.
Fortunately even at my tender age, I had the sense to keep moving, get off campus and drive until I found a police station. After I pulled into the lot he broke off. I waited awhile and then drove home.
I learned really quick to keep my comments to myself while on the road.
Not so hypocritical
What you fail to see is that many here have their constitutional rights stripped from them at one time or another. IE., they can't protect themselves with guns, so they need to call guys with guns.
Second, many are afraid of lawsuits and the like. Call the cops and let them get sued.
Barring laws and lawsuits, I'll trust my .45 over 911 any day of the week.
What you fail to see is that many here have their constitutional rights stripped from them at one time or another. IE., they can't protect themselves with guns, so they need to call guys with guns.
Second, many are afraid of lawsuits and the like. Call the cops and let them get sued.
Barring laws and lawsuits, I'll trust my .45 over 911 any day of the week.
ksnecktieman
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Calling the police (immediately, on a cell phone) in this situation seems like a good idea to me. If you have to deal with it yourself, you have police contact to show yourself as a victim, if you are lucky the cops will get there in time to deal with it for you. And if you have a license number the cops can file the information to ID him later, when it happens to someone else. Or, maybe your identification may help convict him for having done it to someone else before.
When the police get there you will find out if you have called an officer that wants to "serve and protect", or a Jack Booted Thug. But, remember, if you speak, it can and WILL be used against you in court.
YES, I think there are many good cops out there, and yes, I know that any group has some bad people in it.
When the police get there you will find out if you have called an officer that wants to "serve and protect", or a Jack Booted Thug. But, remember, if you speak, it can and WILL be used against you in court.
YES, I think there are many good cops out there, and yes, I know that any group has some bad people in it.
"CAN people be THAT dumb?"
It isn't really all that dumb if it is done in a manner which does not alert the future burglary victim.
On a related note, bumber and window stickers that advertise firearms ownership take a lot of the leg work out of the hands of the criminals.
It isn't really all that dumb if it is done in a manner which does not alert the future burglary victim.
On a related note, bumber and window stickers that advertise firearms ownership take a lot of the leg work out of the hands of the criminals.
AZLibertarian
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One thing I try to remember is that, in a case like this, it doesn't matter how may rounds of ammo you take to the range...it matters how many you take home from the range.
IIRC, one element of the FBI Miami shootout was that the BGs would go out to the Everglades and "buddy up" with some guy who'd been shooting out there. They'd wait until he'd shot up all his ammo, then kill him and take his car (which they would use in a future bank robbery). The advantage they saw was that their victim just disappeared...with no stolen car report.
How many of us shoot up everything we take to the range? Personally, I empty out my expensive Hydrashoks at the range, then shoot whatever I have. When its time to leave, the Hydrashoks get loaded back into the G23 for the trip home.
BTW, a cell phone call to 911, and drive to the nearest police/fire station, seems like much better advice than following the BG around for 20 minutes.
Aleko
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I don't shoot my CCW every trip to the range (but it's with me loaded every time), but when I do, I usually plan ahead and make sure to grab a few boxes of my carry ammo from my safe so that I don't end up going home "empty-handed". And I usually only shoot my carry ammo through my CCW.
TallPine
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When I was a kid, a car with two guys in it passed our pickup/camper on the interstate at night and then slowed way down (maybe 10-15mph) and starting weaving back and forth in the 2 lanes to keep us from going around.
I climbed halfway through the "boot" to retrieve my mom's 22 pistol from the camper on our pickup. I don't know whether they actually saw that in the glow of the dash lights, but shortly after that they broke off this assault and let us get around.
That old six-banger pickup set some speed records and broke some limits getting to the next town.
To this very day, I still go on red alert whenever a vehicle in front of me slows way down for no apparent reason, especially if it has just passed my vehicle and/or is blocking more than one lane.
And I carry something bigger than a 22, as well ....
I climbed halfway through the "boot" to retrieve my mom's 22 pistol from the camper on our pickup. I don't know whether they actually saw that in the glow of the dash lights, but shortly after that they broke off this assault and let us get around.
That old six-banger pickup set some speed records and broke some limits getting to the next town.
To this very day, I still go on red alert whenever a vehicle in front of me slows way down for no apparent reason, especially if it has just passed my vehicle and/or is blocking more than one lane.
And I carry something bigger than a 22, as well ....
AZLibertarian:
I take whole ammo cans to the range (usually my entire stash for each caliber will fit in one or two cans), and rarely shoot more then 200 rounds of each caliber, so I normally have a lot of ammo left over, but its not in magazines, so its useless.
Kharn
One of the stupider MD laws is no loaded magazines in cars, so you'd better be quick about loading a revolver or shotgun if you have a problem on the way home from the range.
I take whole ammo cans to the range (usually my entire stash for each caliber will fit in one or two cans), and rarely shoot more then 200 rounds of each caliber, so I normally have a lot of ammo left over, but its not in magazines, so its useless.
Kharn
Kenneth Lew
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How many of us shoot up everything we take to the range?
Not me, if it cannot all be carried in my left hand then it stays home. I have a locker at the range with the most frequent shot bs guns and some ammo.
...some of the people on this board who take like 10 AKs ARs pistols, shotguns, +1000rds. of ammo to the range at a time...
Those are the most vunerable since they are too preoccupied with not forgetting/dropping anything.
Not me, if it cannot all be carried in my left hand then it stays home. I have a locker at the range with the most frequent shot bs guns and some ammo.
...some of the people on this board who take like 10 AKs ARs pistols, shotguns, +1000rds. of ammo to the range at a time...
Those are the most vunerable since they are too preoccupied with not forgetting/dropping anything.
Sportcat, in case you havent noticed there are several THOUSAND posting members on this board. You might want to check to see what INDIVIDUALS are saying. Just because SOME people on this board complain about cops all the time doesnt mean that there is any hypocrisy here since they are not necessarily the same people suggesting calling the cops. Its kinda important to be careful how large a brush you paint with.
With regards to the actual discussion at hand, its probably obvious to a lot of people but, since it hasnt been said yet. The FIRST thing to remember when you are being followed is DONT GO TO YOUR HOUSE. Avoid your entire neighborhood if at all possible. All they have to know is your general location and then troll around looking for your car in a driveway and BINGO they know a house with at least a few guns in it.
With regards to the actual discussion at hand, its probably obvious to a lot of people but, since it hasnt been said yet. The FIRST thing to remember when you are being followed is DONT GO TO YOUR HOUSE. Avoid your entire neighborhood if at all possible. All they have to know is your general location and then troll around looking for your car in a driveway and BINGO they know a house with at least a few guns in it.
duckfoot
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Keep your head on a swivel and keep up the situational awareness.
son of a gun
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What type of guns were you shooting at the range and would they apeal to the gangbanging ?
marklbucla
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Not that I'm really trying to go off topic by actually going back on topic....
I was followed around the neighborhood at around 3 am. Made figure eights, etc. just to be sure that I didn't lead them directly to my house. I made it onto a major street and they broke off.
After awhile I headed back home and just after I parked my car on the street, I saw them further down the block headed in my direction. They turned off at the intersection instead of heading my way, so I ran inside and called the LAPD help line. Of course, I couldn't get through to that line, nor 911 for a couple of minutes. I didn't expect them to send out a partrol car, but I wanted to fill out a report just in case the bad guys decided to come back in a little while.
I always thought that I'd be on my own should something really happen. Now I know for sure that I would be. I bought a .45 the next day.
I was followed around the neighborhood at around 3 am. Made figure eights, etc. just to be sure that I didn't lead them directly to my house. I made it onto a major street and they broke off.
After awhile I headed back home and just after I parked my car on the street, I saw them further down the block headed in my direction. They turned off at the intersection instead of heading my way, so I ran inside and called the LAPD help line. Of course, I couldn't get through to that line, nor 911 for a couple of minutes. I didn't expect them to send out a partrol car, but I wanted to fill out a report just in case the bad guys decided to come back in a little while.
I always thought that I'd be on my own should something really happen. Now I know for sure that I would be. I bought a .45 the next day.
Sportcat
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c_yeager,
If you re-read my post, you'll see where I say "there are those," not "most," "everybody," a lot," or "the majority."
I simply stated that I see people post on THR stating numerous awful things about the police, but the remarks in this thread said to call them, if not try and find a police station (which I happen to agree with).
I believe my paintbrush is just fine for this canvas.
If you re-read my post, you'll see where I say "there are those," not "most," "everybody," a lot," or "the majority."
I simply stated that I see people post on THR stating numerous awful things about the police, but the remarks in this thread said to call them, if not try and find a police station (which I happen to agree with).
I believe my paintbrush is just fine for this canvas.
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