Big Brother watching when you take a lick in National Forest

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Just be informed esp in this electronic age of ours. Could be a deterrent against poachers and trashers as well.



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http://www.islandpacket.com/2010/03/...s-putting.html

BY TONY BARTELME
postandcourier.com
Published Monday, March 15, 2010


Last month, Herman Jacob took his daughter and her friend camping in the Francis Marion National Forest. While poking around for some firewood, Jacob noticed a wire. He pulled on it and followed it to a video camera and antenna.

The camera didn't have any markings identifying its owner, so Jacob took it home and called law enforcement agencies to find out if it was theirs, all the while wondering why someone would station a video camera in an isolated clearing in the woods.

He eventually received a call from Mark Heitzman of the U.S. Forest Service.

In a stiff voice, Heitzman ordered Jacob to turn it back over to his agency, explaining that it had been set up to monitor "illicit activities." Jacob returned the camera but felt uneasy.

Why, he wondered, would the Forest Service have secret cameras in a relatively remote camping area? What do they do with photos of bystanders?

How many hidden cameras are they using, and for what purposes? Is this surveillance in the forest an effective law enforcement tool? And what are our expectations of privacy when we camp on public land?

Officials with the Forest Service were hardly forthcoming with answers to these and other questions about their surveillance cameras. When contacted about the incident, Heitzman said "no comment," and referred other questions to Forest Service's public affairs, who he said, "won't know anything about it."

Heather Frebe, public affairs officer with the Forest Service in Atlanta, said the camera was part of a law enforcement investigation, but she declined to provide details.

Asked how cameras are used in general, how many are routinely deployed throughout the Forest and about the agency's policies, Frebe also declined to discuss specifics. She said that surveillance cameras have been used for "numerous years" to "provide for public safety and to protect the natural resources of the forest. Without elaborating, she said images of people who are not targets of an investigation are "not kept."

In addition, when asked whether surveillance cameras had led to any arrests, she did not provide an example, saying in an e-mail statement: "Our officers use a variety of techniques to apprehend individuals who break laws on the national forest."

Video surveillance is nothing new, and the courts have addressed the issue numerous times in recent decades. The Fourth Amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and over time the courts have created a body of law that defines what's reasonable, though this has become more challenging as surveillance cameras became smaller and more advanced.

In general, the courts have held that people typically have no reasonable level of privacy in public places, such as banks, streets, open fields in plain view and on public lands, such as National Parks and National Forests. In various cases, judges ruled that a video camera is effectively an extension of a law enforcement officer's eyes and ears. In other words, if an officer can eyeball a campground in person, it's OK to station a video camera in his or her place.

Jacob said he understands that law enforcement officials have a job to do but questioned whether stationing hidden cameras outweighed his and his children's privacy rights. He said the camp site they went to -- off a section of the Palmetto Trail on U.S. 52 north of Moncks Corner -- was primitive and marked only by a metal rod and a small wooden stand for brochures. He didn't recall seeing any signs saying that the area was under surveillance.

After he found the camera, he plugged the model number, PV-700, into his Blackberry, and his first hit on Google was a Web site offering a "law enforcement grade" motion-activated video camera for about $500. He called law enforcement agencies in the area, looking for its owner, and later got a call from Heitzman, an agent with the National Forest Service.
 
While I can't state this as "gospel", I did get the info second hand from a person I know to be a reliable source.

Precisely why I am not sure, but the Forest Service has undertaken to greatly restrict casual off road use in the Ocala Ntl. Forest....to that end they've closed many, many roads that've been open for many years. They had placed signage indicating which are open and closed many via dirt blockage. Many of the 'illegal' roads are still not blocked or signed and of course they do get traffic. USFS has been writing rather high dollar tickets for violations........(had a friend get one that cost him 250)........The FS is so rigid relative to enforcement of their regulations that they've installed (according to my source) monitoring cameras on some illicit entry ways. According to that source a Florida Lake County Deputy Sheriff, while on patrol, had to enter one of those roads..................the SO received a ticket via U.S. Mail with a pic of the official vehicle, it's plate, and a notice of a heavy fine for so entering.

I'm also told that the Lake Co. SO has advised the FS LEO division to not bother calling them for prisoner transport again since that incident!!

As I said, I can't personally attest as to the truth of the foregoing, but I DO know for an absolute fact that from a public relations perspective the FS is utterly "lost in the woods" and has really succeeded in alienating most of the folks that've regularly used that particular one.

It occurs that I SHOULD have mentioned that my perspective relative to the FS enforcement mentality is tempered by the fact that I am a retired CLEO with well over thirty plus years in that field.............I truly believe I know what's proper and what's not!
 
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The link to this doesn't work....no way to verify story.

There's a big difference between cameras used for traffic/security and this.....stores cannot have cameras in restrooms even if they suspect shop lifters. To have cameras in wilderness areas where bears (and people) pee in the woods is similar to the restroom analogy.

Just like the school that remotely turned on lap top cameras in hopes of catching drug use....they got in big trouble, and the lawyers are all over that one.
 
Rembrandt, the link goes to a now-expired page.

Don't sweat it; it's all over the Internet. I guess now that the taxpayer will be on the hook for a bunch of stolen cameras...

Odds are that it's part of the unending anti-drug stuff. Questions about any of the efforts result in a lot of huffiness.
 
Well, then! I sure hope they install some outhouses so we can at least pee in privacy. :D

Geno
 
Last time I saw a camera in the woods (County monitoring a logging road) I put on my ghillie suit (yeah - I'm a psycho) walked up to it like I was Bigfoot, turned around, pulled down my pants and mooned it. I often wonder what the guys reviewing the tape thought.

Hey - I broke no law. And it was funny to me.
 
Wait, the camera idea won't work on the border to keep illegals out, but it will work to keep the LEGALS out of the....woods....
 
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