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I was just curious about carbine/handgun combos and stumbled onto this lever gun. I have a 357 pair that I really like and the 41 mag pair seems cool. Seems like there are some barrel differences in 44mag that makes me want to pass but a 460 combo that's got to be the ultimate in versatility. So I know the pistol will shoot 45c/454/460 but I dont know if the lever gun will.... has anyone ever shot one of these rifles? Seems like the same price range as the Japanese built winchesters or more. Thoughts or experiences with the rifle or pair would be appreciated.
 
The price seems @ double what I have paid for my Miroku made Winchesters. I'm sure it's a great rifle though. It seems to be an update on the 1886 Winchester design which was a large frame rifle with a receiver stronger than the earlier toggle-link Winchesters.
 
They can be had for $2500 but that is a lucky find on a pre owned gun.

I look at them about once a week and have nearly made purchase of a few pre-owned ones on GB.

I have shot one and it feels nice to me. 30-06 bolt action type recoil from an 8 lb gun.

They are pure quality though and feel good and cycle nice. I don’t o ow about versatility with 45 Colt. When I think about that, I think it would be better to buy the 454 Casull version and double up a revolver with that cartridge. That is what I would do if I wanted that feature. I would double it up with a BFR 454.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
They can be had for $2500 but that is a lucky find on a pre owned gun.

I look at them about once a week and have nearly made purchase of a few pre-owned ones on GB.

I have shot one and it feels nice to me. 30-06 bolt action type recoil from an 8 lb gun.

They are pure quality though and feel good and cycle nice. I don’t o ow about versatility with 45 Colt. When I think about that, I think it would be better to buy the 454 Casull version and double up a revolver with that cartridge. That is what I would do if I wanted that feature. I would double it up with a BFR 454.
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So you dont think it will do two rounds 460 and 454 or 454 and 45c. Doing all three would be sweet. My Marlins will do 38 and 357.
 
I've nearly done something rash in the past and ordered one of their 18" matte SS 454 Casull with a takedown package and threaded barrel done on it. The ability to shoot, 454 Casull and 45 Colt would be a very nice package especially with the ability to take it down.
 
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I called to get a factory direct answer... one cant immagine it will not shoot at least two of the three. It's the huge appeal. The lever shooting the heavier two being more important and plinking 45c in the pistol being an extra benny.
 
I guess to have a companion gun for a Ruger Alaskan or S&W .500, it makes great sense. More rounds than a comparable .45-70... My own favorite.

Also, an American made, custom big-bore lever has appeal.

I wonder what their average delivery time is and why they do not have more and more detailed photos.

Todd.
 
AJC1 said:
So you dont think it will do two rounds 460 and 454 or 454 and 45c. Doing all three would be sweet. My Marlins will do 38 and 357.
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I’m not the type of person who buys a certain chamber of gun only to shoot something else in it the majority of the time. I’ll would just down load if that is a goal.

Second, there is a large difference in OAL between 45C and 460. I worry about small changes in bullet shape and the like affecting feeding even if there has been success with a different type. Experimentation would of course alleviate those concerns.

Third, If I had a companion rifle and revolver, I would like to carry both my handgun and rifle at the same time and there is no way I would carry a 460 Smith in addition to a 460 rifle. Carrying a 460 handgun in a holster is nearly as hard as carrying a rifle on a sling even if the revolver is in a chest rig.

A 454 revolver is usually in a more carryable package than the X frame Smith. Even the 460 BFRs are a bit clunky. That is why I would consider the 454 before making purchase of the 460.

I should also note that if I bought one, a companion revolver would not be a reason so I would in fact get the 460.
 
I was initially excited but that has waned. Every time my brain starts going in that direction I think about what a nice 1886 that can be had for about half the cost. Or what a glorious Turnbull custom `86 I could have for similar money. Or that I could have my Marlin 1895 refinished in Turnbull's shop for a fraction of the cost. Of course, I don't have either one so......:confused:

I am happy to have found the Rossi .454.

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I'm with CraigC on this one. It's a neat idea - I'd love to have a companion to my .500 revolver - but it's awfully expensive, and to my mind, slightly out-of-kilter, appearance-wise. I have no doubt it's an extremely high quality gun, but it just doesn't hit quite the right notes for me.
 
CraigC said:
I was initially excited but that has waned. Every time my brain starts going in that direction I think about what a nice 1886 that can be had for about half the cost. Or what a glorious Turnbull custom `86 I could have for similar money. Or that I could have my Marlin 1895 refinished in Turnbull's shop for a fraction of the cost. Of course, I don't have either one so......:confused:

I am happy to have found the Rossi .454.

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My dad had a rossi 357 that had firing pin issues. I guess its known for that which makes me want to stear clear of them.
 
AJC1 said:
Recieved a phone call back from the company. They can shoot all three. Feeding can be fixed by changing out the feed ramp to optimize for each round.
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I wonder what is then given up by the alternative feed ramp - that they don't do it in the first place?

I like CragC's noting ^^^ of comping it against money spent on a Turnbull.

Todd
 
earlthegoat2 said:
I’m not the type of person who buys a certain chamber of gun only to shoot something else in it the majority of the time. I’ll would just down load if that is a goal.

Second, there is a large difference in OAL between 45C and 460. I worry about small changes in bullet shape and the like affecting feeding even if there has been success with a different type. Experimentation would of course alleviate those concerns.

Third, If I had a companion rifle and revolver, I would like to carry both my handgun and rifle at the same time and there is no way I would carry a 460 Smith in addition to a 460 rifle. Carrying a 460 handgun in a holster is nearly as hard as carrying a rifle on a sling even if the revolver is in a chest rig.

A 454 revolver is usually in a more carryable package than the X frame Smith. Even the 460 BFRs are a bit clunky. That is why I would consider the 454 before making purchase of the 460.

I should also note that if I bought one, a companion revolver would not be a reason so I would in fact get the 460.
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The ability to shoot a 45c when I hand it to my 12yo to try insted of the huge recoil would be the only reason to go that far down. I would be shooting 460 or I would just get the 454.
 
AJC1 said:
They are shorter for the shorter cartridges...
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Do you wonder then; do they give up required strength with full-house loads to accomplish the compromise?

I'm thinking one of these might be a cool family *legacy* gun for us and would like to optimize practicality without giving up upper-end-power reliability.

Todd.
 
ApacheCoTodd said:
Do you wonder then; do they give up required strength with full-house loads to accomplish the compromise?

I'm thinking one of these might be a cool family *legacy* gun for us and would like to optimize practicality without giving up upper-end-power reliability.

Todd.
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It's just a different stop on the feed ramp and I dont think anything is sacrificed. It changes the geometry to allow smooth loading.
 
AJC1 said:
The ability to shoot a 45c when I hand it to my 12yo to try insted of the huge recoil would be the only reason to go that far down. I would be shooting 460 or I would just get the 454.
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Do you handload? I would recommend just loading 460 with trail boss and avoid messing around with changing parts. I load my 1895 45-70 with trail boss for family fun shooting. Everyone that shoots it including kids has a huge smile on their face before and after.
 
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