boredelmo
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My friend catching .45 brass in her cleavage. lollll
Biggest Newbie Mistake at Range?
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Gotta be poor muzzle control.
Last week, Beetle and I were at the range when three guys brought three girlfriends to the range. The dudes kept bouncing bullets off the ground, so that was a major red flag there. (One guy actually skips a round off the ground and hits the steel gong anyways, then scream, "I got it."
)
They just toss the girls in, no instruction whatsoever. First girl picks up a .44 mag, holds it about a foot in front of her face, then touches it off. BOOM! She literally comes within an inch of opening a gash on her forehead. I wanted to say something, but I didn't want to seem condescending. Next round skips off the ground, of course, so the guy says, "Sight's off. Aim higher." Yeah, like you'd need a 14" rear sight to fix that flinch, buddy.
Anyways, bad shooting isn't really my concern, but the next girl picks up their Glock and starts shooting. Guy "instructing" her stands behind her left shoulder and says something. She says, "What?" and turns clockwise, almost all the way around, to look at him, covering me and Beetle in the process. 
We both take a step back and keep watching. Maybe it was a slip. No, she does it again. :banghead:
So Beetle goes over to the boyfriend and gives him a piece of his mind. I don't care if you shoot like crap. If you cover me, twice no less, it's on.
Really blame the guys, mainly. Chicks didn't know any better and were nagged into stepping up to the firing line by those bozos. Blind leading the blind.
Last week, Beetle and I were at the range when three guys brought three girlfriends to the range. The dudes kept bouncing bullets off the ground, so that was a major red flag there. (One guy actually skips a round off the ground and hits the steel gong anyways, then scream, "I got it."
) They just toss the girls in, no instruction whatsoever. First girl picks up a .44 mag, holds it about a foot in front of her face, then touches it off. BOOM! She literally comes within an inch of opening a gash on her forehead. I wanted to say something, but I didn't want to seem condescending. Next round skips off the ground, of course, so the guy says, "Sight's off. Aim higher." Yeah, like you'd need a 14" rear sight to fix that flinch, buddy.
Anyways, bad shooting isn't really my concern, but the next girl picks up their Glock and starts shooting. Guy "instructing" her stands behind her left shoulder and says something. She says, "What?" and turns clockwise, almost all the way around, to look at him, covering me and Beetle in the process.
We both take a step back and keep watching. Maybe it was a slip. No, she does it again. :banghead:
So Beetle goes over to the boyfriend and gives him a piece of his mind. I don't care if you shoot like crap. If you cover me, twice no less, it's on.
Really blame the guys, mainly. Chicks didn't know any better and were nagged into stepping up to the firing line by those bozos. Blind leading the blind.
mindwip
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During a cease fire, someone pulls up to a lane and starts unloading there guns/ammo points it at every one down range finger on trigger. Takes RO 4 times on loud speak while walking towards them to get them to listen to his instrustions. No touching firearms, Drop the weapon. Stop playing with it. Leave it on the table.
And still dont understand why they have to.
And still dont understand why they have to.
Spider Pig
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trying to clear a jam with the magazine still in. the guy i saw was doing this with his dessert eagle.
Hey now, I stare at other people's EBRs all the time! I also look around quite a bit when at the range to make sure there aren't people handling their firearms improperly. Biggest sign of a noob for me is 1. Sweeping others with the muzzle (although I've seen plenty of older folks do this too) 2. Not knowing how to operate their firearm.
BGlaze250
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Not knowing that the sights on the 10/22 needed to be flipped up. (It was my first time ).
).Nomad101bc
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lol I am guilty of the forget the key to unlock your case. I never violated safety because my first firearms experience was a range run by the boy scouts and the person running it was a real range nazi. She stopped the entire firing line to clean a barrel. But the range got all of its rounds donated by the NRA so we had to take a mandatory NRA safety course so i never did anything safety wise stupid.
I do recall trying to aim with only the front site my first few times lol. The ranges guys arent wild about when i dive into the can of collected brass and try to name off all the rounds. lol I just cant help it when i see an aluminium casing i have to no know what the person was shooting it with.
I do recall trying to aim with only the front site my first few times lol. The ranges guys arent wild about when i dive into the can of collected brass and try to name off all the rounds. lol I just cant help it when i see an aluminium casing i have to no know what the person was shooting it with.
target1911
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This is EXACTLY what I am trying to break my G/F from doing and that IS her response too.
COMMON SENCE GOES A LONG WAY but not all people have it.
2 wks ago we were at the lake. She wanted to show off her new PT 111. I went to the truck to get it, I removed the mag, triple cleared the weapon, locked slide open, walked over and handed it to her.
With about 8 ppl standing around she drops the slide, puts finger on the trigger, and starts to show it off....MUZZLE FIRST.....
I sharply told her NOT to point it at anyone again (as I placed my hand on top of the gun and her hands and forced the muzzle towards the ground....
My next words were...GET YOUR FINGER OFF THAT TRIGGER.....
She gave me that dumb puppy look and said.....everyone say it with me......
Its Not Loaded.......
I knew the answer to the next question cuz I watched her....
How do you know its not loaded...did you CLEAR IT FOR YOURSELF????
followed by......It IS loaded because you treat ALL guns as if they ARE LOADED.
I have been working with her for the last several months on the 4 rules but I am having to undo 28 yrs of wrong doing.
God....PLEASE grant me the Patients
to teach her the 4 rules...
and Please, for the sake/safety of all others,
give her the Understaning of the 4 rules
and the common sence to USE them.
Thank You Lord and Amen
hopkin
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Rimfire rifle range, firing prone
24"-square target 25 yards away
Misses target completely
20+ years later and I still don't know how I could have done that.
Other new guy mistake/annoyance is being a total fanatic about safety and screwing it up. I was once told I needed to clear my bolt action .22LR rifle after use by shooting the chambered round into a pile of dirt. Not firing an empty gun in that direction to ensure it's empty but specifically to get rid of a round that had been 'used' by chambering it. Wierd.
24"-square target 25 yards away
Misses target completely
20+ years later and I still don't know how I could have done that.
Other new guy mistake/annoyance is being a total fanatic about safety and screwing it up. I was once told I needed to clear my bolt action .22LR rifle after use by shooting the chambered round into a pile of dirt. Not firing an empty gun in that direction to ensure it's empty but specifically to get rid of a round that had been 'used' by chambering it. Wierd.
I've had this happen too many times, regardless of what semiauto I happen to be shooting (rental guns) or what I'm wearing.
I have no idea how hot brass manages to find its way inside a denim jacket buttoned all the way up.
So now I tend to shoot revolvers. Problem solved!
Thernlund
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The cleavage thing made me think of this...
My step-daughter. Took her to the range for her first shooting experience. She was 16 and she did very well. Better than expected actually. Then... she caught some hot brass right in her cleavage and flipped. With her left hand she reach to remove the casing while the pistol was in her right hand. In the same motion she spun around towards me, who was standing right behind her keeping a close eye. As she spun she brought the pistol down to her waist level and actually POKED ME IN THE STOMACH WITH THE MUZZLE, FINGER ON TRIGGER!!! Without thinking I grabbed the pistol and forced it downward shouting "Watch it!!".
I didn't think much of it at the time other than noob mistake. No harm done. But later when I replayed the events in my head I started to sweat. Christ, she almost shot me.
This was about a year ago. She has since improved her awareness quite a bit. But damn. That's the closest I ever want to come to being on the wrong end of a mistake.
-T.
My step-daughter. Took her to the range for her first shooting experience. She was 16 and she did very well. Better than expected actually. Then... she caught some hot brass right in her cleavage and flipped. With her left hand she reach to remove the casing while the pistol was in her right hand. In the same motion she spun around towards me, who was standing right behind her keeping a close eye. As she spun she brought the pistol down to her waist level and actually POKED ME IN THE STOMACH WITH THE MUZZLE, FINGER ON TRIGGER!!! Without thinking I grabbed the pistol and forced it downward shouting "Watch it!!".
I didn't think much of it at the time other than noob mistake. No harm done. But later when I replayed the events in my head I started to sweat. Christ, she almost shot me.
This was about a year ago. She has since improved her awareness quite a bit. But damn. That's the closest I ever want to come to being on the wrong end of a mistake.
-T.
antagonist22
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Trigger finger in the wrong place at the wrong time,pointing the gun at the wrong place,loading the gun at the wrong time.
rapid fire in a non-rapid-fire range followed by laughter by the shooter and a bunch of friends.
that's the one that ticks me off. Why? Because the range master comes walking in p/o'd and for some reason often ends up looking at me when saying, "No rapid fire." - as if I did it!?
Every freaking time I tell you!
that's the one that ticks me off. Why? Because the range master comes walking in p/o'd and for some reason often ends up looking at me when saying, "No rapid fire." - as if I did it!?
Every freaking time I tell you!
Owen
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the only ones that really matter are the violations of the 4 rules, and you don't have to be a noob to do that.
Art Eatman
Moderator In Memoriam
I note that nobody was born an expert anything.
We all were once newbies.
Ya wanna be High Road? Tell stories on yourselves. Ya wanna be Low Road? Laugh at the guy who, today, is just like you were, yesterday.
It's been some 2,000 years since anybody walked on water, and I sure haven't seen his replacement here.
Art
We all were once newbies.
Ya wanna be High Road? Tell stories on yourselves. Ya wanna be Low Road? Laugh at the guy who, today, is just like you were, yesterday.
It's been some 2,000 years since anybody walked on water, and I sure haven't seen his replacement here.
Art
It's probably a good idea to warn new shooters that, from time to time, hot brass has a way of hitting faces, going down shirts, etc. so as to prepare them for it. I recently had a case land just above my eye, where it wedged under my glasses. Not pleasant. I had the experience and presence of mind not to shout an obscenity
or freak out, but to carefully lay the gun down, pointed downrange, and then remove the offending object.BlindJustice
Member
I let a friend who shoots the cheapest .38 Spcl. in his Ruger
.357 shoot a cylinder full of my W-W 125 gr. JHP. I was busy
shooting his Para-Ordnance P14 WHen I got done He
said Wow in reaction to the kick of the mag. loads I then asked
him for my brass. He had tossed it into his paper sack with his
cheapo .38 Spcl. empties. SHeeish... I had him fish it out Some
peoples kids.
.357 shoot a cylinder full of my W-W 125 gr. JHP. I was busy
shooting his Para-Ordnance P14 WHen I got done He
said Wow in reaction to the kick of the mag. loads I then asked
him for my brass. He had tossed it into his paper sack with his
cheapo .38 Spcl. empties. SHeeish... I had him fish it out Some
peoples kids.
SDC
Member
I'd say 1)muzzle control and 2) dicking around with firearms during a cease-fire.
Tyro
Member
What pisses me off is when newby's decide that they're going to bring kids a/o newby friends to the range on their 2nd or 3rd visit.
Once a group took the range hot on me while I was returning from the 100yd targets. Another time someone's kid, who was probably 4, ran across multiple lanes ahead of the firing line while people were firing. Then there was the time some 17yr old idiot decided he was going to threaten anyone who told him he couldn't control the firing line, we called the cops on that one.
Once a group took the range hot on me while I was returning from the 100yd targets. Another time someone's kid, who was probably 4, ran across multiple lanes ahead of the firing line while people were firing. Then there was the time some 17yr old idiot decided he was going to threaten anyone who told him he couldn't control the firing line, we called the cops on that one.
jpcampbell
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I was at the range test firing and sighting in several rifles we had just finished for customers. The range officer called the range cold and we moved forward to check targets, the shooter next to us was looking at our targets and then back to his, he pulled his target and came over to us and asked us to look at his target, it had about 8 holes in it several were key holed, none close to the center. We went back to see if his scope was lose or broken, everything looked ok, we watched while he loaded three rounds of 270 Win. from a new box of store bought ammo into his rifle and watched him shoot at the target it made a funny bang when he touched it off so I thought he might have bad ammo but when he pulled out the case and feed a new round into the chamber I stopped him, the fired case neck was split. We checked the rest of the ammo in the box and it was new and shinny then as I picked up the rifle to check the chamber for a problem I noticed it said 30-06 Springfield on the barrel, wrong ammo! After questioning him we found out he bought the ammo from K mart but since he couldn't remember the cal. of the gun, him and the firearms expert / clerk opened up a few boxes of ammo and 270 looked pretty close to what he had at home so he bought it.
sm
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Not being informed before attending.
Not attending with someone else , or not meeting with someone else as prearranged at the range.
As responsible firearm owners, we are not only responsible for ourselves, also in passing forward responsible firearm ownership.
I. Totally New to Firearms.
Before going to the range, sit down with someone you have invited and go over 4 Rules, Safety Eyes, Ears, Clothing (no low cut shirts/blouses, no sandels, etc), and again go over the type of firearm they will be shooting and everything about it works.
Share club/range rules, such as having to sign a Insurance form and pay a day fee for Insurance .
On a Skeet range, no shot sizes over # 7 1/2 allowed, shotguns are to have actions open, and there are gun racks where they can safely put a gun, with the action open - except do expect to see O/U and SxS Shotguns closed in gun racks.
Guns are dangerous. There are a lot of things "to remember".
We don't want a New Person to get more rattled because they did not expect to pay a day rate for insurance.
We don't want them to feel even more "New" by showing up with #6 shot shotgun shells they picked up at a box store and feeling really stupid when they see the signs "No shot larger than # 7 1/2 allowed".
For sure someone pointing this out and hopefully nice about it, still there is always one that has to be a fuss bucket about it and do this rudely.
II. New to Range, Club, or Sport.
Before going to the range:
(a)
Take a Skeet Shooter. They know pretty much how where they usually shoot does things.
They pretty know most Skeet clubs/ranges are run about the same...
Still when they show up at a New Range for a Shoot for the first time, there is an orientation for new folks.
Most times the Club Hosting does this, and members, and those that have shot there before, assist the Folks shootigng a Tournament there for the first time.
Common Courtesy and Respect.
(b) Take that same Skeet Shooter and he/she is going to attend a Bowling Pin Shoot.
Shotguns and Skeet fields they know.
Bowling Pins and all is totally NEW to them!
They may be a State Champion Skeet Shooter, but are totally clueless as to what one needs for a gun, the loadings, any restrictions for the gun and ammo, Safety concerns they have never had to consider.
They KNOW how clays are sharp on incomers and pieces that continue to come in after bit hit, will hurt someone.
They are not used to Bowling Pins "shooting back" [ricochets].
Go over this BEFORE heading to a Bowling Pin shoot, everything about the Sport, the Club, to bring snacks and sodas as the place does not have them, or they have vending machines, a concession, whatever.
WE all started out NEW and we all will continue to be NEW in anything we choose to do , as there is always a "first time".
A lot of "Us vs Them" stems from not accepting this and in order to feed our self esteems, talk down to another and their sport.
There is nothing in the world wrong with saying " Listen, I know nothing about Skeet, so I will show you the ropes about Bowling Pins and someday you can show me the ropes about Skeet".
You get all "huffy and puffy" and start being condescending with a Skeet Shooter , embarrass them in front of others and:
(a) Shotgunner is going to tell everyone how awful and snooty Bowling Pin shooters are.
(b) React, get defensive and start tossing out foreign stuff like pattern boards, LOP, pitch, drop, comb, cast on, cast off, sustained lead, pass through, hold points, LaPorte, White Flyer, Perazzi, Kreifhoff, Brister,...
I don't know - three little words that some are totally afraid to say.
I don't know, I am interested and willing to learn are words of a wise person, even if they do not know come here from sic 'em about guns.
Steve
Not attending with someone else , or not meeting with someone else as prearranged at the range.
As responsible firearm owners, we are not only responsible for ourselves, also in passing forward responsible firearm ownership.
I. Totally New to Firearms.
Before going to the range, sit down with someone you have invited and go over 4 Rules, Safety Eyes, Ears, Clothing (no low cut shirts/blouses, no sandels, etc), and again go over the type of firearm they will be shooting and everything about it works.
Share club/range rules, such as having to sign a Insurance form and pay a day fee for Insurance .
On a Skeet range, no shot sizes over # 7 1/2 allowed, shotguns are to have actions open, and there are gun racks where they can safely put a gun, with the action open - except do expect to see O/U and SxS Shotguns closed in gun racks.
Guns are dangerous. There are a lot of things "to remember".
We don't want a New Person to get more rattled because they did not expect to pay a day rate for insurance.
We don't want them to feel even more "New" by showing up with #6 shot shotgun shells they picked up at a box store and feeling really stupid when they see the signs "No shot larger than # 7 1/2 allowed".
For sure someone pointing this out and hopefully nice about it, still there is always one that has to be a fuss bucket about it and do this rudely.
II. New to Range, Club, or Sport.
Before going to the range:
(a)
Take a Skeet Shooter. They know pretty much how where they usually shoot does things.
They pretty know most Skeet clubs/ranges are run about the same...
Still when they show up at a New Range for a Shoot for the first time, there is an orientation for new folks.
Most times the Club Hosting does this, and members, and those that have shot there before, assist the Folks shootigng a Tournament there for the first time.
Common Courtesy and Respect.
(b) Take that same Skeet Shooter and he/she is going to attend a Bowling Pin Shoot.
Shotguns and Skeet fields they know.
Bowling Pins and all is totally NEW to them!
They may be a State Champion Skeet Shooter, but are totally clueless as to what one needs for a gun, the loadings, any restrictions for the gun and ammo, Safety concerns they have never had to consider.
They KNOW how clays are sharp on incomers and pieces that continue to come in after bit hit, will hurt someone.
They are not used to Bowling Pins "shooting back" [ricochets].
Go over this BEFORE heading to a Bowling Pin shoot, everything about the Sport, the Club, to bring snacks and sodas as the place does not have them, or they have vending machines, a concession, whatever.
WE all started out NEW and we all will continue to be NEW in anything we choose to do , as there is always a "first time".
A lot of "Us vs Them" stems from not accepting this and in order to feed our self esteems, talk down to another and their sport.
There is nothing in the world wrong with saying " Listen, I know nothing about Skeet, so I will show you the ropes about Bowling Pins and someday you can show me the ropes about Skeet".
You get all "huffy and puffy" and start being condescending with a Skeet Shooter , embarrass them in front of others and:
(a) Shotgunner is going to tell everyone how awful and snooty Bowling Pin shooters are.
(b) React, get defensive and start tossing out foreign stuff like pattern boards, LOP, pitch, drop, comb, cast on, cast off, sustained lead, pass through, hold points, LaPorte, White Flyer, Perazzi, Kreifhoff, Brister,...
I don't know - three little words that some are totally afraid to say.
I don't know, I am interested and willing to learn are words of a wise person, even if they do not know come here from sic 'em about guns.
Steve
Carl
Member
Wasn't at a technical range, but I was up north with some friends shooting guns one day and my friend just got a new Ak47 and he had a mounted scope. I never shot a rifle with a scope on it before, and shot it while on my stomach and had my eye too close to the scope. Scope eye.
Dorryn
Member
Years ago, being unfamiliar with shotguns (having only experience with EBRs in the Marine Corps, and pistols as a civilian) I failed to put the buttstock flat and firmly into my shoulder, instead only placing the bottom corner of it into my shoulder in order to achieve proper stock weld. Needless to say, after 10 rounds or so, my shoulder was in agony and badly bruised.
wraco
Member
Poor Muzzle Control --- plus not following the range rules.
Rod
Rod
Thanks Art, for posting that.
Some of you who followed Art's post weren't paying attention, clearly. As somebody who actually got SERIOUS about shooting sports relatively recently, this really honks me off. You want to tell stories about your own stupidity, fine. But it is the antithesis of the High Road to be poking fun at people because they are learning the very thing you all will swear you WANT more people learning and doing
Besides, are you all seriously going to swear that ONLY "noobs" get their fingers caught in slides, forget their ammo, or even try on occasion to load the rounds backwards in their magazines????
This thread needs to buried six feet under.
Springmom
Some of you who followed Art's post weren't paying attention, clearly. As somebody who actually got SERIOUS about shooting sports relatively recently, this really honks me off. You want to tell stories about your own stupidity, fine. But it is the antithesis of the High Road to be poking fun at people because they are learning the very thing you all will swear you WANT more people learning and doing
Besides, are you all seriously going to swear that ONLY "noobs" get their fingers caught in slides, forget their ammo, or even try on occasion to load the rounds backwards in their magazines????
This thread needs to buried six feet under.
Springmom
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