Bill Eases Gun Buying (N.C.)

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Found this at GT. Thought it should be shared here also.

Bill Eases Gun Buying
Senate bill allows those with concealed gun permits to buy pistols without approval steps

By JOHN FRANK, Staff Writer

Purchasing a handgun in North Carolina would get easier under a bill passed by the state Senate on Thursday.

The measure -- a version of which passed the House in April 2003 -- would allow people with a concealed handgun permit to buy a pistol without going through the typical approval process.

As the law stands now, a permit to purchase a handgun is issued by a local sheriff after a background check.

In the Triangle area, the change would affect Wake, Johnston and Durham counties the most. They rank in the top quarter of counties in the number of concealed handgun permits issued, according to State Bureau of Investigation figures.

Making concealed permit holders apply for handgun purchase permits is unnecessary because they already go through a more rigorous vetting process that includes a federal criminal history check and a review of medical records, said Sen. Dan Clodfelter, a Charlotte Democratic and chairman of a Senate Judiciary committee.

The bill passed the Senate with no debate in a 43-3 vote.

Three Democrats -- Ellie Kinnaird of Carrboro, Linda Garrou of Winston-Salem and Katie Dorsett of Greensboro -- opposed the bill.

Garrou said she is concerned that the bill doesn't limit how many guns a concealed permit holder could purchase.

"They could go in and buy a gun every day," she said.

A lobbyist for the N.C. Sheriffs' Association and the N.C. Law Enforcement Officers Association said the organizations didn't take a position on the bill.

But one group, North Carolinians Against Gun Violence, lobbied against the measure.

"We don't like to see the situation made easier for guns to fall in the wrong hands," said Lisa Price of Chapel Hill, the group's executive director. "By removing the evaluation from the sheriff's department you are removing one factor that could keep the public safer.

Sheriffs could keep someone from buying a handgun by revoking his concealed weapons permit, Clodfelter said.

Still, some local sheriffs worry about losing their authority to issue handgun permits.

Rod Perry, an Orange County sheriff's deputy, always runs a criminal history check, even if the applicant has a concealed permit.

"If a person has a concealed permit and they go out and commit a crime and are charged by another agency, they are supposed to let us know," Perry said. "But I know there's been situations in other counties where someone committed a crime and the agency didn't let them know."

Clodfelter said there is really no way to correct all those situations.

"There's always timing problems," he said. "We'd have to go back into all the laws to address that."

Now that the bill has passed the Senate, it must go back to the House because of the addition of a provision that would create a special license plate for supporters of the National Rifle Association.

Some legislators said that license plates shouldn't be politicized, but the House is expected to go along with the new version of the bill.

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This is great for those of us with N.C. carry permits! Currently one with a NC CCW can purchase a long gun without undergoing the NICS check. I've often wondered why this hasn't been proposed sooner, it really makes sense.

Here's the N.C. General Assembly site with the details of the bill:

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2003&BillID=hb+817

Although it seems most likely this will be passed, it can't hurt to contact your local rep!
 
god do the anti's ever shut up?


those nra plates sound cool. i wish we could get those in florida.
 
Oh, this is great, I live in Wake County :D Hope this goes through and stays.



"They could go in and buy a gun every day," she said.

Oh, no! People who meet CCW requirements and are law abiding can get as many guns as they want?!
 
"We don't like to see the situation made easier for guns to fall in the wrong hands," said Lisa Price of Chapel Hill, the group's executive director.

And Allowing this for Concealed Carry Permit holders who've already gone through the background check needed to get their permits does this how?:rolleyes:
 
I live in New Bern NC right now and know the Craven County sheriff personally and 99% of the officers. Now with that said Craven County has always been pretty good about dealing out the handgun purchase permits and I have never had to wait more than 10min. to recieve one, but I know this is not the case in other NC counties. I have heard some Sheriffs making their residents wait weeks to recieve a perchase permit and that is because they are the "only cops need guns" type. The only reason I can see a Sheriff being upset about this is because they want their $20 cut ($10 for background check and $10 for perchase permit itself). Personally I think the permit process is only there for 1) petty revenue and 2) a form of keeping tabs on who is buying what and how often. Because of those reasons I think we need to get rid of it all together as it all boils down to a power trip anyways. At least I am moving to Ohio in a couple of weeks where you can buy a handgun when you feel like it, and private sales are legal which affords the oppertunity to find better deals. The only drawback is the newness of Ohio's CCW but even then it is a much easier process than that of NC. I plan on getting my Ohio drivers license as soon as possible and then the same day going over to the Sheriffs office and picking up the paperwork for my CCW. It just sucks that after paying the outrages fees and classes for NC I have to give it up and go through it again for Ohio, but at least Ohio will be cheaper in fees and because I am less then three years out of the Military many have said the Sheriff should have no problem using my DD-214 for my training.
 
crewchief,

Where do you go to shoot? I occasionally shoot at B&R on Lake Road in Havelock, but the range in Florida that I used to be a member of was a lot less formal (set up your own targets, draw from the holster, tactical drills, whatever).

Were you based at Cherry Point when you were in the military? (Marines?)
 
crewchief,

Which county is it that charges $20? Seems like that sheriff may be greasing the works a bit. I've only known the sheriffs in my area to charge the requisite $5 per permit as stated in the N.C. General Statutes.

I sure would hate to live in that county. Buying guns would get expensive! :D
 
Ben,

I have not shot in awhile, but I go to B&R like three times a week and know Jim and the guys quite well. Heck he even calls it my second home :D. About a month ago I was back in Ohio with the family and since I knew that I was moving up soon I decided to leave the guns in there protective custody until I make it up there (yes I am gunless right now and I don't like it:fire: ) which will be in one week. I actually was never based at Cherry Point, but rather I was in the Army at Fort Bragg. I moved to New Bern to take a government job and I now work on Cherry Point as a NMCI network administrator. Do you still shoot at B&R and if you do where do you live/work. Maybe before I go to Ohio we can meet up for some general blasting.

Spin,

Actually now that I think of it, it is $5 but that is not counting the $10 for the background check so it is really $15, but the reason I probally remember $20 is because I usually buy two permits at a time ($5 + $5 + $10= $20). You do have to admit though that your wait can vary drastically from county to county :cuss: .
 
B&R

My son and I will be shooting at B&R sometime next week. It is where we go when we make the annual trek to Emerald Isle with my wife's family.

Last July we shot my father-in-law's Ruger Police Service Six along with our other handguns. This summer we will be shooting our own S&W 686 which I picked up at Gunworks in Raleigh on my way home from the Gun show back in May.

Back on topic, the sheriff of my county is also friendly to legal gun owners, so getting purchase permits has never been difficult. When the reciprocity agreements were announced some months back, he and our chief of police were on record in the local paper in favor of the law, saying that they have never encountered difficulty with concealed handgun permit holders.
 
This bill has been proposed for past several years now.

It's a good reform but we need to scrap the permit system totally.

It was put in place in 1919 and reformed last in 1959 and 1986 (when ammo purchases were deregulated).

All it does get in the way of law abiding citizens who need handguns.

:cuss:

Oh yeah and you can't just walk in and get a NC CCH permit.:rolleyes:
 
And Allowing this for Concealed Carry Permit holders who've already gone through the background check needed to get their permits does this how?
Because, silly, unless it's the police or military with the guns, they're in the wrong hands.
 
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