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I found this single sentence on a gun laws site and I couldn't find anything else about it and was wondering if anybody had any other info on it. I should also mention it was dated March 06, 2009
Bill to legalize SBR/SBS in Alabama!
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dirt_j00
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It made it through the House but died in the Senate. The legislature convened sine die a few months back.
Here is a link to the thread where it was discussed: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=428595
Here is a link to the thread where it was discussed: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=428595
There is a new bill in the house for the same thing: HB2
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ViewPrefiledBillsACASLogin.asp
Contact your reps!
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ViewPrefiledBillsACASLogin.asp
Contact your reps!
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w_houle
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SBR/SBS only makes sense if if handguns are considered NFA items, but since they aren't; the law is an anachronism.
Evergreen
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And to think I was naive enough all this time to believe that all southern red states where NFA friendly.. Geez.. even liberal Oregon is NFA friendly.. Quite shocking.
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The NFA as originally proposed did include handguns as a regulated/taxed firearm.
Fortunately, the NRA was able to get the inclusion removed.
Supposedly (at least to one account I've read), adding SBR's was a compromise.
unspellable
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Short barrels
The inclusion of short barreled shotguns in the NFA has a rather odd history and was not a compromise connected with handguns.
Prior to the NFA a federal excise tax on handguns (or maybe firearms in general) was enacted. The manufacturer of the Marble Game Getter lobbied (successfully) to have it classified as an agricultural implement rather than a firearm in order to evade the tax.
When the NFA was passed the Marble Game Getter, not being legally a handgun, fell into the "other" classification along with palm squeezers, cane guns, etc., and dragged short barrled shootguns like the Ithica Coach Gun along with it.
So it was something of a bureaucratic accident of history that resulted in short smooth barreled firearms falling under the NFA. There was never any real reason for distinguishing between a rifled or smooth barreled hand gun.
So today we have handguns designed to fire shot through a rifled barrel. Some have had straight rifling, but even with twist, a doughnut shaped pattern is not going to make any difference at the intended ranges.
The inclusion of short barreled shotguns in the NFA has a rather odd history and was not a compromise connected with handguns.
Prior to the NFA a federal excise tax on handguns (or maybe firearms in general) was enacted. The manufacturer of the Marble Game Getter lobbied (successfully) to have it classified as an agricultural implement rather than a firearm in order to evade the tax.
When the NFA was passed the Marble Game Getter, not being legally a handgun, fell into the "other" classification along with palm squeezers, cane guns, etc., and dragged short barrled shootguns like the Ithica Coach Gun along with it.
So it was something of a bureaucratic accident of history that resulted in short smooth barreled firearms falling under the NFA. There was never any real reason for distinguishing between a rifled or smooth barreled hand gun.
So today we have handguns designed to fire shot through a rifled barrel. Some have had straight rifling, but even with twist, a doughnut shaped pattern is not going to make any difference at the intended ranges.
Megistopoda
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"NFA-friendly."
Now that's funny, right there. That's just what I want out of a government ... "gun control friendliness."
Now that's funny, right there. That's just what I want out of a government ... "gun control friendliness."
nwilliams
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I've always believed that the required barrel length law on rifles is the second (but not by much) dumbest of all firearms laws.
The absolute dumbest law is that you can't put a forward grip on a handgun. That law just gets under my skin something fierce. There is absolutely no reason for this law to exist.
The absolute dumbest law is that you can't put a forward grip on a handgun. That law just gets under my skin something fierce. There is absolutely no reason for this law to exist.
unspellable
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Dumb law?
nwilliams,
Read my tag line.
Not that many of us out here view a fore grip on a hand gun as essential. So they get away with it. Little by little they whittle away. It's not about guns, it's about brainwashing us to think like sheep.
If your objective is to breed sheep, it's not a dumb law.
nwilliams,
Read my tag line.
Not that many of us out here view a fore grip on a hand gun as essential. So they get away with it. Little by little they whittle away. It's not about guns, it's about brainwashing us to think like sheep.
If your objective is to breed sheep, it's not a dumb law.
KSY
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Anyone have anything else on this
dirt_j00
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The next legislative session begins Jan. 12. I will monitor these bills and post any movement.
KSY
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I plan on makeing some cals
The law in Alambama currently states that a handgun must have a barrel 12" or shorter and rifles/shotguns must have barrels 16" or longer. In other words no SBR/SBS, however, full-auto weapons are not covered under that law and so if the weapon is a class III full-auto weapon the barrel can be of any length.
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dirt_j00
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phoenix79 - As you stated, select-fire/full auto is not covered under AL law. However, how does that translate to a full-auto rifle <16" being legal in AL? Barrel length and full-auto would seem to be two separate issues.
I haven't found anything in the State Code referencing the NFA...
I haven't found anything in the State Code referencing the NFA...
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Alabama SBR Law Passes House now on to Senate
TAKE ACTION stand up for your rights, protect this important class of weapons and make a difference. If not for your self then for your Nation, State, or atleast your children. Freedom is never protected by silence.
HB2 passed the house according to:
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/acaslogin.asp
Time to talk to our Senators in the State House, one house left, let them know what your think. Pass HB2!
Here is a link to our Senators:
http://www.legislature.state.al.us/senate/senators/senateroster_alpha.html
Alabama is the only State in the south where such an ignorant law exsists. Being compared to Oregon on this is not good. The constituents of this state believe in gun rights and they love their state. These weapons are Federally legal, and currently you can have AOW's with the same features as these weapons but without shoulder stocks, so AOW's are harder to aim and fire safely. This class of weapons is the best/safest choice for self defense in a structure/home and the only hazard for law enforcement and Alabamians is that our state does not allow us to own them for protection.
Fortunately, I have discovered that law enforcement can own them, but leave law enforcement (retire, quit, etc.) and I have been told you cannot own these because of the current law that this bill will help to eliminate. As a result of passing this bill these officers will more likely buy them because the possibility of having to sell them is removed, their investment in these weapons can pass to loved ones too. Their families and these officers will be protected better and safety improves. Law abiding citizens and military members will be the types that buy these weapons also, and they should have this federally legal right especially military. God Bless them.
Additionally, passing HB2 will remove impediments that would keep these type of great American's from either moving to Alabama or cause LEO's to move out when retired thus encouraging population growth. Growing communities mean large tax bases, more business, greater property values, less crime if they are armed citizens, and greater economic opportunity. It will remove an archaic law with some arbitrary restriction at a random length that sounds as foolish as it is.
Regards
TAKE ACTION stand up for your rights, protect this important class of weapons and make a difference. If not for your self then for your Nation, State, or atleast your children. Freedom is never protected by silence.
HB2 passed the house according to:
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/acaslogin.asp
Time to talk to our Senators in the State House, one house left, let them know what your think. Pass HB2!
Here is a link to our Senators:
http://www.legislature.state.al.us/senate/senators/senateroster_alpha.html
Alabama is the only State in the south where such an ignorant law exsists. Being compared to Oregon on this is not good. The constituents of this state believe in gun rights and they love their state. These weapons are Federally legal, and currently you can have AOW's with the same features as these weapons but without shoulder stocks, so AOW's are harder to aim and fire safely. This class of weapons is the best/safest choice for self defense in a structure/home and the only hazard for law enforcement and Alabamians is that our state does not allow us to own them for protection.
Fortunately, I have discovered that law enforcement can own them, but leave law enforcement (retire, quit, etc.) and I have been told you cannot own these because of the current law that this bill will help to eliminate. As a result of passing this bill these officers will more likely buy them because the possibility of having to sell them is removed, their investment in these weapons can pass to loved ones too. Their families and these officers will be protected better and safety improves. Law abiding citizens and military members will be the types that buy these weapons also, and they should have this federally legal right especially military. God Bless them.
Additionally, passing HB2 will remove impediments that would keep these type of great American's from either moving to Alabama or cause LEO's to move out when retired thus encouraging population growth. Growing communities mean large tax bases, more business, greater property values, less crime if they are armed citizens, and greater economic opportunity. It will remove an archaic law with some arbitrary restriction at a random length that sounds as foolish as it is.
Regards
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