Bill To Repeal "Sporting Purposes" Clause

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mountainclmbr wrote:

My congress critter is the left wing Communist Dianna Degette. Please have pitty on me!

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Sorry about that, but I stand by my suggestion. Besides what with toll free phone numbers, all it costs is a litrtle time. E-mail is cheap too, and you already have Internet access.
 
Argh I have two women Democratic Senators for Washington state...Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell.


I've never had luck with them in the past and I doubt I ever will.
 
Now that this ATF decision was made, getting rid of the sporting clause has become even more important. Keep contacting the NRA and GOA and tell them you want them to get behind it. Maybe we should also set a date in the fall (Congress is recessing soon) that we should all mass mail our reps. Sept 13th anyone?
 
Keep hammering

It is frustrating to have such liberal ding-a-lings for reps. But I think it still is neccasary to keep hammering them....

"Senator,
Gun control" is an obsolete concept that has been proven a failure... You should support real "gun control" legislation such as "10-20-Life" to punish CRIMINALS who use guns...and vote for Concealed Carry to support CITIZENS who choose a firearm in saving their lives and property from psychopathic criminals, exercising their inalienable Right to Self Defense."

We could also go to these websites and download and print out pro-gun Ads and Posters to send them...a picture is worth a thousand words-

http://www.a-human-right.com/introduction.html
or
http://www.lanset.com/koba/thearsenal1.htm
 
Maybe a stupid question

I keep hearing this and asking myself "what do they consider sporting purposes?" If I had the money, I would directly challenge the ATF on this point. Are they saying Target shooting is NOT a sporting purpose? If so, we'd better alert the Olympics. If this is not what they are saying, can't ANY firearm, pistol or long gun, be used for this sporting purpose? I know I'm just an unedumakated hick, but it seems this loophole should be explored.
 
The ATF has defined, according to some arbitrary and irrational rules, what types of weapons are useful for sporting purposes. In other words, they think they know more than you do about what types of equipment you need for your own recreation.

The ATF rules are arbitrary and unfair, and that's why we need this law. In a free country no ninnie bureaucrat should have the authority to make these decisions for us.
 
This Month Your Congress Critters Are Having Constitutent Meetings/town Hall Meetings.

You Know What To Do If You Can Attend.

Bring A Copy Of The Atf's Letter Banning Import Parts And Show It To Your Rep. Give It To Them. Explain You Want Spare Parts Back.


Everyone Needs To Do This.
 
Is this still an active issue that requires support? If so, I'm in, just let me know!
 
I would love to help but i live in the great bleeding heart liberal state of Ill. or otherwise known as the state of Chicago. I live next to the show me state and im jealous of their CCW. If we could cut Ill. in half and ditch liberal central that would make my day!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
 
First off, the "sporting" rule is crap and contrary to the 2nd and the previous supreme court (vs miller?) ruling. Constitutionally, they could restrict non-military weapons all day long--its our right to "arms", not hunting tools, that's not protected. Anyone who votes otherwise is disregarding the constitution.
Second, I DO hunt with my AK and HK clone. Took a nice 6 pointer last season with the 308 rifle. I'd prefer military style weapons, but I won't own a rifle/shotgun I can't hunt with.
Anyhow, keep up the pressure to rescue the consitution!
 
Unfortunetely we have Sen. Lenin and Stab-u-now in Michigan. To them the Party is everything. The State of the Union means dreck to them. Reality is a show you watch on TV. :(
 
Cathy McMorris over here in the right side of Washington. Now to try to write a letter that doesn't sound fanatical and still manages to hold a strong opinion. This is the part I hate the most. :(
 
Get me a form letter or something I can paste and send out and I'll make sure it goes out weekly. My reps probably know me by name now, but I'm not good at writing these things.
 
Unless, and until congress-critters (and all their ilk) are declared "fair game," the "sporting clause," is dead meat.
 
My representative is Dianna DeGette. She would annex Colorado to Cuba if she got her way. I would write a letter, but I would expect her to send storm troopers "for the children" if I voice any opposition. Living near the Marxist enclave of Boulder, CO really sucks. The people who drive Volvos in Boulder, with a "Free Tibet" bumper sticker probably don't realize how it makes my head spin at the irony. The "Police State" policies of PRofBoulder makes me waste petroleum products to circumnavigate the "Peoples Monitary Collection" tricks. I would rather deal with crooks than totalitarian government goons.
 
Drav wrote:

Get me a form letter or something I can paste and send out and I'll make sure it goes out weekly. My reps probably know me by name now, but I'm not good at writing these things.

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Seriously, I cannot really see what yur problem might be, however you might try the following.

Re. H.R. 1703, NOWHHERE in the statutes are Sporting purposes or sport or particularly suitable to sporting purposes, or readily adaptable to sporting purposes defined, though they do appear in "regulations" issued by BATFE, as it is nowadays known. This situation amounts to law based on bureaucratic decree, and if members of The Congress (House and or Senate) allow such as this to stand, then why bother having either house of The Congress. This aspect aside, given the oath of office that you all took, when do you plan to adhere to it, I make special reference to the bit about "upholding, supporting and defending The Constitution", which NOWHERE mentions gun control, or gives such power to either the federal government or to The Congress.

H.R. 1703, as proposed by Rep. Ron Paul, would eliminate the above mentioned bureaucratese. Have you signed on as a co-sponsor? If not, why? If not now, When?

You might ask your U.S. Senators if/when they plan to introduce equivalent proposals in their chamber, and once again, if they don't, WHY?

Putting the foregoing together required a couple of minutes, that's all. No great difficulty involved.
 
Dear XXXX,

Please consider supporting and cosponsoring HR 1703 introduced by Ron Paul of Texas. It repeals the 'Sporting Purpose' test for firearms making it easier for policemen and law abiding gun owners to purchase firearms for lawful purposes.

Thank you,


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Found this over at the falfiles:

Letter to AG Gonzalas and congress

Down farther in the thread it mentions that Shotgun News (The Knox Report) is giving this issue some attention.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/show...462#post1343462



The Honorable Alberto Gonzalez
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, D.C. 20530-0001

Dear Mr. Attorney General

Prior to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives becoming another one of your many responsibilities, there have been numerous instances of legal and administrative irregularities within that organization. I am writing this in order for you to investigate and correct these inequities as they directly affect and contravene the constitutional rights of all law-abiding citizens.

As you are aware, various federal statutes and policies insure that administrative agencies such as the Department of Justice and its associated components solicit and consider public comment when developing policy, engaging in rulemaking, or undertaking other activities having general prospective effect. I am concerned that prior to its transfer from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department, whether through inadvertence or design, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) has failed to adhere to the public participation requirements in exercising its authority under 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3).

Background

18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3) provides:

The Secretary shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition . . . is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes . . .

Congress and the Courts have recognized that this section creates a non-discretionary duty on the part of the Secretary to authorize importation of any firearm, not otherwise prohibited, of a type particularly suitable or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

As you are aware the Administrative Procedure Act defines the term “rule” broadly to include:

[T]he whole or a part of an agency statement of general or particular applicability and future effect designed to implement, interpret, or prescribe law or policy or describing the organization, procedure, or practice requirements of an agency.

5 U.S.C. 551(4).

Yet, despite this broad definition, when implementing the “sporting purposes” clause of 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3), BATFE has never treated its determination of whether a particular firearm is importable as a rulemaking action warranting APA notice and comment requirements. This is of particular concern in light of the supplemental rulemaking instruction in 18 U.S.C. 926 which may be read as a requirement that the Secretary utilize notice and comment rulemaking for all such rules necessary for carrying out the provisions of 925(d)(3). Instead, the BATFE has relied on handpicked, ‘agency outcome preferred’ sources of information and comment to assess whether particular firearms meet the “sporting purposes” tests. For example, in 1968 the agency selected a hand picked “Firearms Evaluation Panel” to consider whether various firearms met the tests. However, following the passage of the Federal Advisory Committee Act in 1972, which might have required that the Firearms Evaluation Panel be balanced and open in a manner not previously required, BATFE abandoned the panel in favor of a “working group” that continued to solicit information from narrow, handpicked individuals and constituencies. See, e.g. Report and Recommendation of the ATF Working Group on the Importability of Certain Semi-Automatic Rifles (July 6, 1989); Department of the Treasury Study on the Sporting Suitability of Modified Semiautomatic Assault Rifles (April 1998).

Requests for clarification:

1) Please explain why the BATFE has historically declined to utilize notice and comment rulemaking for making determinations as to whether particular firearms are “not suitable for” or “not readily adaptable to” sporting purposes.

2) Please explain BATFE’s interpretation of its notice and comment rulemaking obligations under 18 U.S.C. 926. In particular, please explain why BATFE has not viewed the section as a requirement to utilize notice and comment rulemaking when making “sporting purpose” determinations under 925(d)(3).

3) Please explain BATFE’s basis for abandoning “panels” in favor of “working groups” to assess the importability of various firearms. Please explain how FACA’s requirement of balanced points of view is being met under the working group concept.

4) In the event that BATFE views “sporting purposes” determinations as “interpretive rules” or “general statements of policy,” please defend the Bureau’s decision to decline to utilize notice and comment rulemaking contrary to Recommendation 76-5 of the Administrative Conference of the United States, which provides in pertinent part, “Before an agency issues, amends, or repeals an interpretive rule of general applicability or a statement of general policy which is likely to have a substantial impact on the public, the agency should utilize the procedures set forth in Administrative Procedure Act subsections 553(b) and (c)…” 41 Fed. Reg. 591-596. I would suggest that since over 80% of the firearms in public hands in the US are of military origin or design, how could that above action possibly be defensible?

5) The Regulatory Flexibility Act as amended by the Small Business, 5 U.S.C 601 et seq., is triggered by agency rulemaking activity. In declining to initiate rulemaking proceedings when making “sporting purposes” determinations, what consideration has the agency given to the impact of such determinations on small entities as defined at 5 U.S.C. 601?

6) The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals has indicated that:

The term "generally recognized" in section 925(d)(3) suggests a community standard which may change over time even though the firearm remains the same. Thus, a changing pattern of use may significantly affect whether a firearm is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to a sporting purpose.

Gun South, Inc. v. Brady, 877 F.2d 858, 866 (11th Cir.1989)

Please explain precisely how the BATFE assess this community standard and analyzes such changing patterns of firearms use in the absence of notice and comment rulemaking.

7) In 1998 the BATFE restricted the importation of a number of rifle types on the basis of such rifles’ ability to accept a “large capacity military magazine.” To a large extent BATFE determined that such a feature rendered such rifles not particularly suitable to sporting purposes on the basis of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. Specifically BATFE found, “by passing the 1994 law, Congress signaled that firearms with the ability to accept large capacity magazines are not particularly suitable for sporting purposes.” Given that the 1994 Act has lapsed and can no longer be said to signal congressional opinion, how has BATFE reassessed the importability of these rifles and what is the current basis for restricting their importation?


Thank you for your attention to this matter. I think it is clear from the foregoing that the Bureau has not sought public input to the maximum extent of its authority. Accordingly, in order to reassure all interested parties of the transparency and responsiveness of government agencies, I would urge your department to direct the Bureau to initiate a rulemaking proceeding to reconsider, at a minimum, the 1998 restrictions which appear to rely to a large extent on the lapsed 1994 Act. Continued reliance by the Bureau on lapsed statutory authority to support regulatory policy is simply put, an abrogation of my rights and that of over 80 million firearms owners that vote.


Respectfully,



Mark A. Greven
POB 47
Kettle Falls, WA. 99141

CC: Rep. Kathy McMorris


Well, there is is ladies and gentlemen. The collaborative effort of I and another file member. Feel free to copy it and send it to your reps as well, and I would suggest that people in Ron Paul's district get on this also.

Now you know why I haven't posted much, been late sending payments for things, for when you aren't working, you aren't making money. At least, not me.

Do I expect the AG to get right on this? Don't kid yourself. I expect to hear something in about 2 months, with everything that is going on right now. I would really hate to have his job right now, and the race-baiters will keep that office busy with Katrina items until the end of the next three presidents' terms.

My next step is to needle my congresscritter as often as possible regarding this and see if I can at least get an investigation going. That will cost the board memebers here nothing extra, simply tax dollars well-spent, methinks. Much better than a lawyer for a group that has no legal standing.
 
This following quote is from my house reps own website. Yeah sounds like a lost cause, I have met this guy in person before and he is a tool, he is a politician, he loves sensationalism, he knows what drums up votes and does whatever it takes. But talking to him, and you really get the impression that he has no connection or understanding of the common person. I bet he has a team of experts telling him what so say to scare peopel into voting for him and supporting his ideas. It sucks, because my local state rep. for my county is actually reasonable, and she is very freindly and open minded, and has Always personally written back, none of that auto respond letter crap.


"Marty served as First Assistant District Attorney of Massachusetts' Middlesex County prior to his election to Congress in 1992. Upon joiningCongress, he worked with the Clinton Administration and public interest groups such as Handgun Control Inc. to secure the enactment of historic anti-crime legislation, including the 1993 Brady Bill and the 1994 Crime Bill. Indeed, during Marty's tenure in Congress, serious violent crime in America has decreased substantially. The murder rate is down more than 25 percent to its lowest point since 1967, and gun violence has declined by more than 35 percent."
 
"The murder rate is down more than 25 percent to its lowest point since 1967, and gun violence has declined by more than 35 percent."

this is related to a demographic shift that is a manifestation of roe V wade. government funded abortion has reduced the portion of the population which is comprised of black males (and white males) between the ages of 15 and 35 to one half of what it was in 1967. since most violent crimes are committed by this group (black males commit 80%), we would expect violent crime to drop by 50%. it has reduced about 35-40%, which means: either this demographic is actually more violent than their predecessors, or that the increasing hispanic population is making up the difference.

not trying to be racist. just stating the statistics.

still, it's better to live in the USA than in 8 other developed nations. scotland, england, and whales are the "big 3" in violent crime right now. each has victimization rates double the US in a recent EU report.
 
We don't need to repeal

We don't need to repeal the "sporting use" clause.

All we need to do is add a clarification that competitive shooting is a legitimate sporting use.

Nearly every firearm that is currently excluded as being not being suited for a sporting use is used in a competitive shooting event, somewhere.

And every one could be.

It's a minor and reasonable change to the language that could be easily slipped by, but it would have the effect we want.
 
We don't need to repeal the "sporting use" clause.

We may not need to; but we should anyway because the Second Amendment has nothing to do with "sporting purposes" and we shouldn't encourage the view that it does.
 
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